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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Uggggggggghhhhhhhhh.

    We're not talking about emotions.

    You cherry picked a definition, let's look at it.

    UNPROVOKED ATTACK
    MAKING ATTACKS, UNPROVOKED VIOLATION
    HOSTILE, INJURIOUS, DESTRUCTIVE

    So yeah. AKA, "the initiation of force."



    Okay dude, I get it. You don't believe in the human right to life. You don't have to keep belaboring the point. Unfortunately, I still have to want your right to life protected even though you don't give a **** about it.
    Sucks to suck. Current trends in society are going to begin to lean in favor of PAS being legal.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Initiating force has nothing to do with aggression. Point out an actual definition of the Word Aggression from any dictionary of your choosing that gives this impression - that force alone defines an act aggressive.

    I mean let's go ahead and look at the word "force" -


    Force | Define Force at Dictionary.com



    So force basically means to apply an exerted effort against something. The intensity in which that force is being applied can vary. I can force a page to turn in my book, but that doesn't mean I have aggressively done so. How do I figure? Well let's go ahead and look at the definition of "aggression" - you may be familiar with it.

    Aggression - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


    Mhm. Interesting. So the key words are highlighted. But see how force, in of it's self, does not constitute as Aggression?



    That's a lie. It is legal in our country.





    No right has been violated. The patient has a right to choose death, especially if they are suffering and they can choose to then seek professional help in doing so.
    It's legal in a couple states, not all, but it will get there.

    Jaydubya is going to have a fit when it does.
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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    The patient is asking for the help of the doctor to end his/her life.
    That doesn't answer the question. The physician is clearly using force, and a lethal amount of force at that; the patient is alive, then the doctor does something, and this something directly causes the patient to die.

    Who is the first one in this scenario to employ force?

    And this poll was about whether or not doctor assisted suicide should be legal/lawful in the United States
    So don't assert "legal" like it's already the case. 3 states allow the prescription of fatal medication that you self-administer. The doctor killing you is legal in exactly zero states.

    He does not ask the doctor to violate his rights
    Yes he does. By requesting someone else to kill you in aggression, you are asking them to violate your right to life, a right you cannot abdicate. In the United States, this will result in criminal charges for the other person should they take your request, and that is entirely appropriate.

    And you can keep throwing the word "force" around but that word has nothing to do with euthanasia at all.
    Sure, PK. No action occurs whatsoever. You just walk up, administer medication, the person dies, and you didn't do anything. Sure, that's not force - I mean, it is by the definition of the word, but not in your book, apparently. So let's go with your "definition."

    If I were to walk up to some random person and administer that medication to them, and they died, you'd probably want that to be illegal, probably charges of murder. But you'd have no basis for that law, because as you just claimed, there was no force involved, I only gave them medication. If I didn't initiate force against that person, and by your standard, I didn't, then I did nothing wrong.

    And if it is legal, it would not be homicide in aggression at all.
    Incorrect. By the definition of those words, it is always homicide and it is always in aggression. That is why it should be illegal.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    While I agree with you whole heartedly about euthanasia, I have an issue with unalienable rights. I know that gets thrown around a lot but it's my belief that all rights are issued by government. As an example of this, I offer the one child policy in China. Children who are killed by the government because their birth violates that policy have no right to life in China, although I personally believe they should.
    But unalienable rights in the US are something different than the unalienable rights are in China. Maybe China has no unalienable rights.

    There is no world wide universal inalienable rights. There is something like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights but no government is forced to imply they if they do not adopt these rules.
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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    What would you prefer? Someone try in vain to slit their wrists and end up wasting **** loads of taxpayer money when they get sent to the hospital for care?
    Well, there's simply no excuse for that. Down the road, not across the tracks. Haven't these people used Google before?

    And no, I would never waste taxpayer money on healthcare services for an individual requesting them.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    But unalienable rights in the US are something different than the unalienable rights are in China.
    No they are not.

    It's the Chinese people's duty to stand up for their rights and cast off any government that is destructive or violates their rights. If they won't, that's on them.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    It's legal in a couple states, not all, but it will get there.

    Jaydubya is going to have a fit when it does.
    I'm aware. But to simply say it is not legal in the states is incorrect since it is in a few. Had he said it's not entirely legal then his statement would be true. But he won't phrase his sentences like that, because his whole argument is that it's an objective truth that assisted suicide is unethical and murder.

    So he, dishonestly, pretends that his position is one that is held world wide. When it's not.
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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Do I? I don't recall ever saying that
    Did you remember that post where you defended assisted suicide? Or the other one? Or the other one?

    Maybe you remember one of them, I dunno. But each time you did that, yeah, you confirmed beyond a shadow of a doubt that you don't care about the human right to life.

    ]You don't want my rights protected. Which is why you would sooner have me starve to death than to allow me to request my physician assist in suicide. A death that would be infinitely more preferable than starvation.
    I don't care what you prefer. Your mere preferences don't alter what your rights are.

    If you want to kill yourself, I think you have a right to do that. You don't have a right to have someone else do it for you.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Uggggggggghhhhhhhhh.

    We're not talking about emotions.

    You cherry picked a definition, let's look at it.

    UNPROVOKED ATTACK
    MAKING ATTACKS, UNPROVOKED VIOLATION
    HOSTILE, INJURIOUS, DESTRUCTIVE

    So yeah. AKA, "the initiation of force."



    Okay dude, I get it. You don't believe in the human right to life. You don't have to keep belaboring the point. Unfortunately, I still have to want your right to life protected even though you don't give a **** about it.
    No attack takes places with euthanasia, no unprovoked violation either.

    The initiation of force is the act of one man initiating force against another, as opposed to retaliatory force. Force includes such acts as murder, theft, threats, and fraud. It is acting against another person without their consent. The initiation of force is never moral.
    Initiation of Force

    The overall component that makes initiation of force reprehensible is because it is done without the consent of that person. And euthanasia is done entirely at the behest of the patient/is totally done with their consent.
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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    I'm aware. But to simply say it is not legal in the states is incorrect since it is in a few.
    What Kevorkian did to get convicted for murder remains illegal in every state.

    Exactly 3 states allow you to self-administer a lethal dose of medication.

    I've been arguing about the former this entire time; you've been defending it this entire time.

    Don't move the goalposts, Mr. "Your Logical Fallacy Is."

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