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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    You know what? Let's say, for the sake of argument only, that you've convinced me. Sure thing, providing palliation for dehydration is still "physician assisted suicide," no different than administering a lethal dose of medication yourself.

    Okay. The point still stands, you have now convinced me that all palliative care is wrong and should never be provided. You can still kill yourself just fine by refusing fluids. I guess the threshold for your resolve will have to be higher, but no one need kill you by bringing you any medication that helps alleviate any symptom whatsoever.
    But what is so terribly wrong with euthanasia to stop a patients suffering (if it is incurable and it causes horrendous suffering)?
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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    You lie:
    No. I don't.
    So as stated, you compared palliation with homicide.
    No. That would be you.



    If you're killing someone, it is the same thing. Literally. You will be charged with murder.
    Killing is not always murder. That is a fact.

    Yes, if someone is refusing food and fluids in an effort to hasten their own death but they do request palliation of any symptoms of discomfort, there is nothing wrong whatsoever with providing palliation.
    It's the same thing as assisting suicide. Your semantics simply don't work.


    You don't think there is a difference. So no, what you just said makes zero sense.
    There is no difference. It's you who does not understand that.


    What's the point in trying again? You say there's no malice aforethought. I provided the definition of malice aforethought.
    There is nothing malicious about assisting someone in suicide. especially if that someone is suffering and is begging for death. There also needs to be, as is defined by the legal term, a reckless disregard to the consequences of human life.

    So respectively to the topic of this discussion. When a medical professional, through his expertise, can see that an individual is ill and in pain and can determine that there is no way to alleviate that pain he can then at that patients request give them peace, i.e. death.

    This professional has not disregarded life. He/She has addressed a circumstance where there no right answer - however there is a lesser of two poisons. One is let a patient spend the rest of their days in agony and another is to cease that agony. That's a far cry from muder. Especially since that interactions between Doctor and Patient is mutual and agreed upon.


    I demonstrate how it is impossible that the guy you pay to kill you would not be deliberately and intentionally killing you, with premeditation.
    And I can prove to you that is an subjective stance. All I would need to do is point out my op's link. Point out the recent tabloid from Oregon. Nothing you are saying is written in stone. Sorry.

    You still claim that there is no malice aforethought, appropriate of nothing in reality or the definition of the legal term.
    Yes I can. And I just did. And I have legal precedence set in various locations around the world, including this country to corroborate it
    What you're saying is absolutely crazy.
    No. It's not.





    (That was some "old archaic" dude who said that, so you probably don't care)
    Good you are catching on.
    Last edited by Zinthaniel; 02-08-15 at 04:06 PM.
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    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    But what is so terribly wrong with euthanasia to stop a patients suffering (if it is incurable and it causes horrendous suffering)?
    What is so wrong with killing another human being in aggression? Seriously?

    I can't believe I have to explain why needless homicide, particularly a type that would already be prosecuted as murder, is wrong.


    Because you're violating the rights of another human being.

    You cannot sell yourself into liberty, you cannot give away your right to own property, and you cannot give someone else permission to kill you.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    No. I don't.

    No. That would be you.
    Alright great.

    You make an inane comparison, I call you on it, and your response is "NO U." So, I guess you're doing the whole total denial of reality routine. Hope that works out for you, but sorry - ain't nobody got time for that.

    Killing is not always murder. That is a fact.
    No ****? "Assist a suicide" in my jurisdiction and you will be prosecuted for murder. That is a fact.

    And I can prove to you that is an subjective stance.
    No, you can't. Objectively, if you pay someone to kill you, they would have to consider whether or not to comply and decide to do so. They would perform an action knowing it would kill you. That is premeditation. That is malice aforethought.

    Yes I can. And I just did.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    What is so wrong with killing another human being in aggression? Seriously?
    Nothing being discussed here is remotely aggressive. Yes, Seriously.

    I can't believe I have to explain why needless homicide, particularly a type that would already be prosecuted as murder, is wrong.
    It's not homicide. Pure and simple. Nor is it - always prosecuted as such. Those laws are being amended. See OP.


    Because you're violating the rights of another human being.
    No if that human being has requested it.

    You cannot sell yourself into liberty.
    you cannot give away your right to own property, and you cannot give someone else permission to kill you.
    None of that of which you wrote are exempt from being challenged and reworked to better fit a growing understanding of life and liberty.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    What is so wrong with killing another human being in aggression? Seriously?

    I can't believe I have to explain why needless homicide, particularly a type that would already be prosecuted as murder, is wrong.


    Because you're violating the rights of another human being.

    You cannot sell yourself into liberty, you cannot give away your right to own property, and you cannot give someone else permission to kill you.
    There is nothing aggressive in euthanasia. And the person who dies wanted to die and just has help in ending their live.

    And nobody is violating the right of this patient, this is their wish to begin with.And if the law changes, then why should he not give someone the right to choose to help him die?
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Nothing being discussed here is remotely aggressive. Yes, Seriously.
    Unless you're claiming that the patients are attacking the doctors, you're wrong.

    It's not homicide. Pure and simple.
    Killing a human is a homicide every time, pure and simple. Deny reality all you want, it doesn't change it.

    No if that human being has requested it.
    Requesting it is irrelevant. You can't give up an unalienable right.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    There is nothing aggressive in euthanasia.
    Oh okay, then the patients are all attacking the doctors. Sure, that's sane. Go with that.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    It should be up to individual doctors whether or not they want to partake in such a scenario. Nationally, the government should not be involved in the decision making process, so it should be up to the states to decide. I believe states should devolve the decision making process to medical professionals (with some basic ground rules so nothing gets out of hand.) Essentially this would allow doctors to perform these actions if they feel it is in the patients best interest, if they do not then they would never be required to help end a patients life. The "right" to assisted suicide would imply that doctors HAVE to end somebody's life even against their morals.
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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Oh okay, then the patients are all attacking the doctors. Sure, that's sane. Go with that.
    What are you talking about, what you wrote has nothing whatsoever to do with euthanasia. There is nothing aggressive with euthanasia.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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