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Thread: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Your lack of compassion and mercy is no surprise.
    More retarded lies from you, as ever.

    You're wrong, and what you said remains offensively stupid. You equivocated palliation and homicide. I think that's the most idiotic effort you've ever put forth and I could not disagree more.

    It is clear that in your dishonesty you are pretending I have been convinced by you that palliation is somehow unacceptable... since it apparently needs to be said, despite all reason, I do believe in alleviating uncomfortable symptoms for these folks. That is compassionate. There is a hard line between helping and deliberately harming your patient, however.

    So don't tell me about compassion and mercy when your solution is unnecessary killing. That seems to be your solution in general, to promote killing whenever possible and accuse others of moral lapses for not thinking of killing as the best solution for any problem. It's clear that you have no respect whatsoever for primum non noncere, but physicians are supposed to.

    By your standard palliative workers who don't take the law into their own hands and smother granny just lack compassion and mercy. I'm sure if any of them were here they'd have some nice words for you.
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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Calling the central tenet of libertarianism a "load of crap" tells me just about everything I need to know about you. Hell, it's essentially just the golden rule.
    It's not the central tenet.....

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    That's completely retarded, but you go on believing that palliating pain is the same thing as killing folks; by your standard, every hospice worker in all but a few states would be in prison.
    No it's not retarded not at all. What's retarded is your sad attempts at warping the meaning of things. Nice strawman though. Keep at that. Maybe you will convince someone to buy into your your hyperbolic ramblings.

    No hyperbole or exaggeration whatsoever; administering a lethal dose of medication to a patient violates medical ethics, it is aggressive, and it is murder.
    Oh, but it is both a hyperbole and an exaggerate. Your line of reasoning fits both definitions to the t.
    It doesn't violate anything. That has already be thoroughly explained to you. Reread previous post to you authored by quite a view different users - keep reading them until clicks.

    Though I doubt it ever will. You are far to enthralled and stubborn to let go of you fake dictionary of definitions. It's why you don't understand the words - murder, aggression, violation, unethical and so on and so forth.
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    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    No it's not retarded not at all. What's retarded is your sad attempts at warping the meaning of things.
    That would be you doing the warping, chief.

    You're equivocating giving someone relief from distressing symptoms and deliberately killing them. That's warped.

    Nice strawman though. Keep at that. Maybe you will convince someone to buy into your your hyperbolic ramblings.

    Oh, but it is both a hyperbole and an exaggerate. Your line of reasoning fits both definitions to the t.
    Hyperbole is synonymous with exaggeration. There is no exaggeration in pointing out to you that "assisted suicide" is not legal, violates the principles of medical ethics, aggressively violates the human right to life, and the act could / should / and has been prosecuted as murder.

    If your location is accurate, it is a serious felony to assist in a suicide in your state. I suppose what specific criminal charge is issued would be up to prosecutorial discretion. If someone pulled that in my state, things would go very badly for them; as they should.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    It's why you don't understand the words - murder
    Murder is a specific criminal charge as defined by legal jurisdiction; it is not, as you claimed "taking the life from someone who did not want to die." Do you need examples of why your effort at defining the term is a failure, or is that self-evident? A lot of humans are killed who have not expressed a desire to die. A lot of criminals don't want to die, they want to profit at the expense of others, but then they get killed while committing their crimes. If you need more examples, do let me know.

    aggression
    The initiation of force. Killing is justified only in very limited circumstances, such as self-defense. If a patient is so helpless they cannot perform any sort of active action to kill themselves, then clearly they do not meet those criteria, as they cannot possibly be attacking anyone else. Therefore by inflicting intentional, lethal harm on them, that is aggression as you the party initiating force.

    violation, unethical
    What is unethical is the subject of debate within the philosophy of ethics. You clearly have a divergent philosophy and you think that folks can abdicate their own natural rights. That runs counter to our country's mission statement, the Declaration of Independence, which asserts that we humans have several unalienable rights.
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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    People should have the right to die with dignity.

    Period.

    This does need heavy regulation however to ensure the 15 grandchildren aren't pressuring grandma into going early for inheritance as an over the top example but I have absolutely no problem with this.
    Basically this above, yes it should be allowed and regulated of course.
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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dobsdot00 View Post
    Canada legalized gay marriage 12 years ago and now they have legalized doctor assisted suicide. God they are ahead of us.
    One those issue yes, they are way ahead of us. It's sad that america isn't leading the way on stuff like this.
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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    You have a right to kill yourself, not to have others do killing for you.

    Paying someone to kill a human in aggression is impermissible and any government that allows such a thing is backwards and barbaric.
    Good lord, what type of dishonesty fabrication is this. This is why I bounce around message boards, no shortage of views that are completely out of left field. I'm don't even think this post in in the right thread.
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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    You already answered the question. Just take out the word religious from your last post
    Great answer and explanation.
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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Killing in of it's self is not an act of aggression.

    Being aggressive in doing so would only qualify that statement.

    When an aging dog is euthanized the vet didn't aggressively kill it. The animal dies peacefully and painlessly.

    There is definitely a distinction.
    I have to say I agree, all one has to do is look up the definition of aggression and then understand the context of assisted suicide and there's no aggression that takes place. Calming otherwise is make believe, it's some type of feeling and not anything based on reality.
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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, yes, it is. Ending someone's life is aggression. You don't just kill someone and somehow not act aggressively. You're being nonsensical.
    Assisted suicide is not aggression. Saying otherwise is actually the nonsensical part. All one has to do is look at the definition of aggression and the context of assisted suicide and you quickly understand the reality that it's not aggression.
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