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Thread: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    I presented you with an ethical way to achieve that end.

    Killing is not necessary. Anyone is capable of zero fluid intake and anyone who does so will die from that choice in a very brief timeframe.
    I cannot believe this is a serious suggestion.

    If the patient has the ability to feel discomfort why should they die in discomfort?

    Why not just suggest they can throw themselves out in the freezing cold ad die of exposure?

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Mmhmm. Right. So the ultimate purpose is to make their exit easy. So if the ultimate goal is make their passing one that is of peace, why is it suddenly if they were, at the patients request of course, to administer the cocktail to allow the patient to leave on their own accord is it all of sudden, murderous? If the goal in both instances is that same - peace.


    Sure, you may be right. And if this said individual would prefer the most painless exit, one that can only truly by offered by a professional, why can't they have that option.

    Again nothing about that is unethical.
    Killing in aggression is always barbaric, is always unethical, and should always warrant the criminal charge of murder.

    If I give you pain medication I am helping relieve a negative symptom. If I give you a lethal dose of pain medication on accident, and I'm a doctor or a nurse, that negligence is going to cost me my career in all likelihood. If it can be proven I did it on purpose, it would likely cost my freedom or even my life.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I cannot believe this is a serious suggestion.

    If the patient has the ability to feel discomfort why should they die in discomfort?

    Why not just suggest they can throw themselves out in the freezing cold ad die of exposure?
    I can't believe so many people are so ignorant of basic bioethics or basic medical / healthcare information, but I'm not surprised to find an overlap in certain demographics.

    If you can throw yourself out you definitely don't need anyone else to kill you.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Killing in aggression is always barbaric, is always unethical, and should always warrant the criminal charge of murder.
    Nope. Wrong again. Your inflating your opinions and in doing so confusing them with facts. Nothing you said is a fact. Period.
    There is nothing murderous about assisting someone who wants to die peacefully. Nothing at all.
    If I give you pain medication I am helping relieve a negative symptom.
    If you give pain medicine to an individual who is committing suicide for the sole purpose of making that suicide painless, then you are assisting in that suicide. Your refusal to use the English language correctly will not distort that fact.
    If I give you a lethal dose of pain medication on accident, and I'm a doctor or a nurse, that negligence is going to cost me my career in all likelihood.
    What does any of that have to do with the mutual agreement between patient and physician to the end the patient's life at their request?

    If it can be proven I did it on purpose, it would likely cost my freedom or even my life.
    If it can be established that you entered a legal contract in which both you and the patient agreed to end the patient's life. Then, absolutely, nothing would happen to you if it's legal in the given area you are practicing.

    All of this further establishes the subjectivity of the topic. There is nothing objective about you stance on this. Nothing. At. All.
    Last edited by Zinthaniel; 02-06-15 at 07:52 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    I can't believe so many people are so ignorant of basic bioethics or basic medical / healthcare information, but I'm not surprised to find an overlap in certain demographics.
    The ignorance is all on you buddy. Not on anyone else.

    If you can throw yourself out you definitely don't need anyone else to kill you.
    That's not always the case. Nor is throwing yourself to your death peaceful. The key word is peaceful. The key concept is people seeking a peaceful death.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Objectively, where I live, anyone doing what you suggest would land them in prison until their death, which would probably occur from lethal injection. Objectively, their crime would be murder and the former physician would be a convicted murderer.

    Subjectively, aside from the death penalty aspect, I wholeheartedly agree with locking up such murderers.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    I can't believe so many people are so ignorant of basic bioethics or basic medical / healthcare information, but I'm not surprised to find an overlap in certain demographics.

    If you can throw yourself out you definitely don't need anyone else to kill you.
    Jay, have you ever seen anybody suffer to death?

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Objectively, where I live, anyone doing what you suggest would land them in prison until their death, which would probably occur from lethal injection.
    I doubt it. You're exaggerating. Do you live outside of the U.S? Because that definitely wouldn't happen here - seeing that a precedence has already been established by some states.

    That would be taken into consideration in any trial here.

    Subjectively, aside from the death penalty aspect, I wholeheartedly agree with locking up such murderers.
    And I wholeheartedly disagree with you.

    If anything I think people who have the power to allow some to die peacefully but instead choose to just watch them wither away in agony should be taken to the ethics counsel.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Forgive the typo in title - *Should America...*

    Canadians have right to doctor-assisted suicide, Supreme Court rules - The Globe and Mail

    Canada can now be added to the small list of countries that give humans the right to decide when they want to end their lives legally.

    Is this a fundamental human right?

    And should the U.S. (on a national level) and other countries adopt it?
    The right to life in the end is a right.

    And rights don't HAVE to be exercised.

    Thus is my stance.
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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Jay, have you ever seen anybody suffer to death?
    I don't share personal details with you people.

    I do know a lot about this topic but how I know it is my business, and we're not going to play a guessing game... or at least I'm not going to.

    Dehydration has symptoms that can be palliated. That I do know and not just from reading it in a book.
    Last edited by JayDubya; 02-06-15 at 08:04 PM.

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