View Poll Results: Should we do as McCain demands, arm Ukraine? And how far should we go?

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  • Yes, but just delivery of arms.

    4 4.35%
  • Yes, but not only arms, we (the West) have to be willing to send in troops

    2 2.17%
  • No, not weapons but we should send in Western troops.

    0 0%
  • No, no weapons or troops

    78 84.78%
  • That is Europe's problem, McCain should let them worry about it.

    7 7.61%
  • We cannot expect the European wimps to deal with it, the US most take charge.

    1 1.09%
  • I don't have an opinion/who cares about Ukraine.

    0 0%
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Thread: John McCain attacks Angela Merkel for her Ukraine policies regarding weapon sales.

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    John McCain attacks Angela Merkel for her Ukraine policies regarding weapon sales.

    John McCain has said about Angela Merkel, the first German prime-minister to have grown up under the oppression of the Communist East Germany, that she is just like the politicians who were guilty of appeasing Adolf Hitler.

    He said in an interview for the German television:

    "Does she just want to stand by and watch how a European country, the first time since the second world war gets trampled?".

    He also has harsh words for the German government, whom he says has a foolish attitude towards Ukraine, when he says:

    "If you look at it, you would think that they are completely clueless or that they do not care that the people in Ukraine are being butchered"


    But is Merkel wrong for not delivering weapons in the hands of what for all purposes intended people who overthrew the (at that moment) legal leadership of Ukraine? Are the Ukrainians not in part themselves to blame for at least part of the problems with the Russian speaking part of their own population?

    Because the first thing the new government did, instead of working towards a more pro-Western policy, was banning the Russian language and talking about making a law that would ban Russian language media in Ukraine.

    Banning the sales of weapons to Russia fine, boycotting the Russians fine too, supporting the Ukrainian government in a lot of things is fine too, but giving them weapons? Has that ever worked if the other side is going to use that excuse (of us arming the anti-Russian Ukrainian government) as a justification to send in Russian troops and masses of Russian troops.

    Maybe forcing the Ukrainians and Russian Ukrainians to negotiate and make a peace treaty restoring the status of the minority rights back to before the latest government rules to undo those rights (supported by Ukrainian nationalists)? Or should we pour in weapons/troops?
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: John McCain attacks Angela Merkel for her Ukraine policies regarding weapon sales

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    John McCain has said about Angela Merkel, the first German prime-minister to have grown up under the oppression of the Communist East Germany, that she is just like the politicians who were guilty of appeasing Adolf Hitler.

    He said in an interview for the German television:

    "Does she just want to stand by and watch how a European country, the first time since the second world war gets trampled?".

    He also has harsh words for the German government, whom he says has a foolish attitude towards Ukraine, when he says:

    "If you look at it, you would think that they are completely clueless or that they do not care that the people in Ukraine are being butchered"


    But is Merkel wrong for not delivering weapons in the hands of what for all purposes intended people who overthrew the (at that moment) legal leadership of Ukraine? Are the Ukrainians not in part themselves to blame for at least part of the problems with the Russian speaking part of their own population?

    Because the first thing the new government did, instead of working towards a more pro-Western policy, was banning the Russian language and talking about making a law that would ban Russian language media in Ukraine.

    Banning the sales of weapons to Russia fine, boycotting the Russians fine too, supporting the Ukrainian government in a lot of things is fine too, but giving them weapons? Has that ever worked if the other side is going to use that excuse (of us arming the anti-Russian Ukrainian government) as a justification to send in Russian troops and masses of Russian troops.

    Maybe forcing the Ukrainians and Russian Ukrainians to negotiate and make a peace treaty restoring the status of the minority rights back to before the latest government rules to undo those rights (supported by Ukrainian nationalists)? Or should we pour in weapons/troops?
    John McCain's political career is long past it's expiration date. It's developing a rancid stink.
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    Re: John McCain attacks Angela Merkel for her Ukraine policies regarding weapon sales

    John McCain is entering that mindset and age as a Senator where he is becoming a caricature of his own self. He should soon step down. Is there a war that John McCain hasn't liked?

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    Re: John McCain attacks Angela Merkel for her Ukraine policies regarding weapon sales

    John McCain read some novel lately and now doing some counter attack after Mackerel bashed NSA and USA for spying into her telephone conversation.

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    Re: John McCain attacks Angela Merkel for her Ukraine policies regarding weapon sales

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    John McCain has said about Angela Merkel, the first German prime-minister to have grown up under the oppression of the Communist East Germany, that she is just like the politicians who were guilty of appeasing Adolf Hitler.

    He said in an interview for the German television:

    "Does she just want to stand by and watch how a European country, the first time since the second world war gets trampled?".

    He also has harsh words for the German government, whom he says has a foolish attitude towards Ukraine, when he says:

    "If you look at it, you would think that they are completely clueless or that they do not care that the people in Ukraine are being butchered"


    But is Merkel wrong for not delivering weapons in the hands of what for all purposes intended people who overthrew the (at that moment) legal leadership of Ukraine? Are the Ukrainians not in part themselves to blame for at least part of the problems with the Russian speaking part of their own population?

    Because the first thing the new government did, instead of working towards a more pro-Western policy, was banning the Russian language and talking about making a law that would ban Russian language media in Ukraine.

    Banning the sales of weapons to Russia fine, boycotting the Russians fine too, supporting the Ukrainian government in a lot of things is fine too, but giving them weapons? Has that ever worked if the other side is going to use that excuse (of us arming the anti-Russian Ukrainian government) as a justification to send in Russian troops and masses of Russian troops.

    Maybe forcing the Ukrainians and Russian Ukrainians to negotiate and make a peace treaty restoring the status of the minority rights back to before the latest government rules to undo those rights (supported by Ukrainian nationalists)? Or should we pour in weapons/troops?
    There should be no US military intervention. Personally, I think we've already gone too far in supporting the coup. Somebody needed to teach these people that losing an election doesn't mean you can just have a mob overthrow the President. You lose an election, you take what you get and hopefully do better next time. That's how a republican system of government works. For all the bluster you hear sometimes, there is no concerted effort by conservatives to overthrow Obama - because that's not how a republic works. What happens the next time someone in Ukraine doesn't like how the election turned out? They're a young democracy and teaching them that we'll support their revolts every time isn't helping them.


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: John McCain attacks Angela Merkel for her Ukraine policies regarding weapon sales

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    John McCain is entering that mindset and age as a Senator where he is becoming a caricature of his own self. He should soon step down. Is there a war that John McCain hasn't liked?
    If I'm not wrong, he didn't personally have a good time in Vietnam.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: John McCain attacks Angela Merkel for her Ukraine policies regarding weapon sales

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    If I'm not wrong, he didn't personally have a good time in Vietnam.
    He stayed at the Hanoi Hilton. I would have preferred a La Quinta myself.
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    Re: John McCain attacks Angela Merkel for her Ukraine policies regarding weapon sales

    Is there a conflict anywhere in the world that McCain does *not* want us to get involved in?
    "Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people." - Penn Jillette.

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    Re: John McCain attacks Angela Merkel for her Ukraine policies regarding weapon sales

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    John McCain is entering that mindset and age as a Senator where he is becoming a caricature of his own self. He should soon step down. Is there a war that John McCain hasn't liked?
    the war on war.
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    Re: John McCain attacks Angela Merkel for her Ukraine policies regarding weapon sales

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Is there a conflict anywhere in the world that McCain does *not* want us to get involved in?
    the war on war
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