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John McCain attacks Angela Merkel for her Ukraine policies regarding weapon sales.

Should we do as McCain demands, arm Ukraine? And how far should we go?

  • Yes, but just delivery of arms.

    Votes: 2 18.2%

  • Yes, but not only arms, we (the West) have to be willing to send in troops

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, not weapons but we should send in Western troops.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, no weapons or troops

    Votes: 4 36.4%

  • That is Europe's problem, McCain should let them worry about it.

    Votes: 5 45.5%

  • We cannot expect the European wimps to deal with it, the US most take charge.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I don't have an opinion/who cares about Ukraine.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other, namely............

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    11
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John McCain has said about Angela Merkel, the first German prime-minister to have grown up under the oppression of the Communist East Germany, that she is just like the politicians who were guilty of appeasing Adolf Hitler.

He said in an interview for the German television:

"Does she just want to stand by and watch how a European country, the first time since the second world war gets trampled?".

He also has harsh words for the German government, whom he says has a foolish attitude towards Ukraine, when he says:

"If you look at it, you would think that they are completely clueless or that they do not care that the people in Ukraine are being butchered"


But is Merkel wrong for not delivering weapons in the hands of what for all purposes intended people who overthrew the (at that moment) legal leadership of Ukraine? Are the Ukrainians not in part themselves to blame for at least part of the problems with the Russian speaking part of their own population?

Because the first thing the new government did, instead of working towards a more pro-Western policy, was banning the Russian language and talking about making a law that would ban Russian language media in Ukraine.

Banning the sales of weapons to Russia fine, boycotting the Russians fine too, supporting the Ukrainian government in a lot of things is fine too, but giving them weapons? Has that ever worked if the other side is going to use that excuse (of us arming the anti-Russian Ukrainian government) as a justification to send in Russian troops and masses of Russian troops.

Maybe forcing the Ukrainians and Russian Ukrainians to negotiate and make a peace treaty restoring the status of the minority rights back to before the latest government rules to undo those rights (supported by Ukrainian nationalists)? Or should we pour in weapons/troops?
 
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Peter King said:
John McCain has said about Angela Merkel, the first German prime-minister to have grown up under the oppression of the Communist East Germany, that she is just like the politicians who were guilty of appeasing Adolf Hitler.

He said in an interview for the German television:

"Does she just want to stand by and watch how a European country, the first time since the second world war gets trampled?".

He also has harsh words for the German government, whom he says has a foolish attitude towards Ukraine, when he says:

"If you look at it, you would think that they are completely clueless or that they do not care that the people in Ukraine are being butchered"


But is Merkel wrong for not delivering weapons in the hands of what for all purposes intended people who overthrew the (at that moment) legal leadership of Ukraine? Are the Ukrainians not in part themselves to blame for at least part of the problems with the Russian speaking part of their own population?

Because the first thing the new government did, instead of working towards a more pro-Western policy, was banning the Russian language and talking about making a law that would ban Russian language media in Ukraine.

Banning the sales of weapons to Russia fine, boycotting the Russians fine too, supporting the Ukrainian government in a lot of things is fine too, but giving them weapons? Has that ever worked if the other side is going to use that excuse (of us arming the anti-Russian Ukrainian government) as a justification to send in Russian troops and masses of Russian troops.

Maybe forcing the Ukrainians and Russian Ukrainians to negotiate and make a peace treaty restoring the status of the minority rights back to before the latest government rules to undo those rights (supported by Ukrainian nationalists)? Or should we pour in weapons/troops?
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John McCain's political career is long past it's expiration date. It's developing a rancid stink.
 
Re: John McCain attacks Angela Merkel for her Ukraine policies regarding weapon sales

John McCain is entering that mindset and age as a Senator where he is becoming a caricature of his own self. He should soon step down. Is there a war that John McCain hasn't liked?
 
Re: John McCain attacks Angela Merkel for her Ukraine policies regarding weapon sales

John McCain read some novel lately and now doing some counter attack after Mackerel bashed NSA and USA for spying into her telephone conversation.
 
Re: John McCain attacks Angela Merkel for her Ukraine policies regarding weapon sales

Peter King said:
John McCain has said about Angela Merkel, the first German prime-minister to have grown up under the oppression of the Communist East Germany, that she is just like the politicians who were guilty of appeasing Adolf Hitler.

He said in an interview for the German television:

"Does she just want to stand by and watch how a European country, the first time since the second world war gets trampled?".

He also has harsh words for the German government, whom he says has a foolish attitude towards Ukraine, when he says:

"If you look at it, you would think that they are completely clueless or that they do not care that the people in Ukraine are being butchered"


But is Merkel wrong for not delivering weapons in the hands of what for all purposes intended people who overthrew the (at that moment) legal leadership of Ukraine? Are the Ukrainians not in part themselves to blame for at least part of the problems with the Russian speaking part of their own population?

Because the first thing the new government did, instead of working towards a more pro-Western policy, was banning the Russian language and talking about making a law that would ban Russian language media in Ukraine.

Banning the sales of weapons to Russia fine, boycotting the Russians fine too, supporting the Ukrainian government in a lot of things is fine too, but giving them weapons? Has that ever worked if the other side is going to use that excuse (of us arming the anti-Russian Ukrainian government) as a justification to send in Russian troops and masses of Russian troops.

Maybe forcing the Ukrainians and Russian Ukrainians to negotiate and make a peace treaty restoring the status of the minority rights back to before the latest government rules to undo those rights (supported by Ukrainian nationalists)? Or should we pour in weapons/troops?
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There should be no US military intervention. Personally, I think we've already gone too far in supporting the coup. Somebody needed to teach these people that losing an election doesn't mean you can just have a mob overthrow the President. You lose an election, you take what you get and hopefully do better next time. That's how a republican system of government works. For all the bluster you hear sometimes, there is no concerted effort by conservatives to overthrow Obama - because that's not how a republic works. What happens the next time someone in Ukraine doesn't like how the election turned out? They're a young democracy and teaching them that we'll support their revolts every time isn't helping them.
 
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SayMyName said:
John McCain is entering that mindset and age as a Senator where he is becoming a caricature of his own self. He should soon step down. Is there a war that John McCain hasn't liked?
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If I'm not wrong, he didn't personally have a good time in Vietnam.
 
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rocket88 said:
If I'm not wrong, he didn't personally have a good time in Vietnam.
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He stayed at the Hanoi Hilton. I would have preferred a La Quinta myself.
 
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Is there a conflict anywhere in the world that McCain does *not* want us to get involved in?
 
Re: John McCain attacks Angela Merkel for her Ukraine policies regarding weapon sales

SayMyName said:
John McCain is entering that mindset and age as a Senator where he is becoming a caricature of his own self. He should soon step down. Is there a war that John McCain hasn't liked?
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the war on war.
 
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OrphanSlug said:
Is there a conflict anywhere in the world that McCain does *not* want us to get involved in?
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the war on war
 
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RDS said:
John McCain read some novel lately and now doing some counter attack after Mackerel bashed NSA and USA for spying into her telephone conversation.
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I don't blame him. Nothing worse than a mackerel bashing the USA.
 
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OrphanSlug said:
Is there a conflict anywhere in the world that McCain does *not* want us to get involved in?
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He does have a tendency to beat the drums of armed conflict in just about any armed conflict in the world.
 
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RDS said:
John McCain read some novel lately and now doing some counter attack after Mackerel bashed NSA and USA for spying into her telephone conversation.
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So it is an attack when you complain that your personal and governmental privacy has been breached by what is supposed to be an ally? Sorry, I am not sure everyone will see it like that.
 
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McCain is making this a black and white issue and it's not. Merkel has relationships with Russia, trade, lots of EURO's at stake. McCain has the benefit of sitting on the US side of things with little to jeopardize, Merkel doesn't have that luxury.
 
Re: John McCain attacks Angela Merkel for her Ukraine policies regarding weapon sales

Peter King said:
John McCain has said about Angela Merkel, the first German prime-minister to have grown up under the oppression of the Communist East Germany, that she is just like the politicians who were guilty of appeasing Adolf Hitler.

He said in an interview for the German television:

"Does she just want to stand by and watch how a European country, the first time since the second world war gets trampled?".

He also has harsh words for the German government, whom he says has a foolish attitude towards Ukraine, when he says:

"If you look at it, you would think that they are completely clueless or that they do not care that the people in Ukraine are being butchered"


But is Merkel wrong for not delivering weapons in the hands of what for all purposes intended people who overthrew the (at that moment) legal leadership of Ukraine? Are the Ukrainians not in part themselves to blame for at least part of the problems with the Russian speaking part of their own population?

Because the first thing the new government did, instead of working towards a more pro-Western policy, was banning the Russian language and talking about making a law that would ban Russian language media in Ukraine.

Banning the sales of weapons to Russia fine, boycotting the Russians fine too, supporting the Ukrainian government in a lot of things is fine too, but giving them weapons? Has that ever worked if the other side is going to use that excuse (of us arming the anti-Russian Ukrainian government) as a justification to send in Russian troops and masses of Russian troops.

Maybe forcing the Ukrainians and Russian Ukrainians to negotiate and make a peace treaty restoring the status of the minority rights back to before the latest government rules to undo those rights (supported by Ukrainian nationalists)? Or should we pour in weapons/troops?
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McCain is a piece of **** who has his lips on the cocks of the military industrial complex.It seems every time he opens his ****en mouth in regard to what is going on outside USA its "we got to send in troop", "we got to arm this group" or "that group" or "waa how dare Obama say we ain't going to send in troops". What goes on between Russia and Ukraine is none of our damn business. What goes in the middle east is none of our damn business.
 
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Peter King said:
Maybe forcing the Ukrainians and Russian Ukrainians to negotiate and make a peace treaty restoring the status of the minority rights back to before the latest government rules to undo those rights.
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The government and rebels did negotiate, and signed an agreement on 5 September 2014 in Minsk, Belarus called the Minsk Protocol . It was also signed by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) and the Russian Federation. As a result of the Minsk Protocol, the Ukraine parliament passed what was called the Special Status Law (SSL). It was signed into law by Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko. This legislation granted special status to the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine. Among the items granted was more autonomy, amnesty for all those who had not committed war crimes, recognition of the Russian language, and regional elections (Donetsk/Luhansk) to be held in accordance with the Minsk Protocol which specified that the elections must adhere to Ukrainian law. Ukraine scheduled these elections for December 7, 2014.

In violation of the Minsk Protocol and Ukrainian law, the rebels unilaterally held a referendum on 2 November 2014. No country in the world, not even Russia, officially recognized the referendum results. As a result of this blatant violation, Ukraine annulled the Special Status Law. On 23 January 2015, the rebels announced they would not honor the Minsk Protocol and launched a multi-front military offensive with arms and munitions supplied by the Russian Federation.

Pro-Russia Rebels Reject Peace Deal, Launch New Offensive

Since then, the rebels have captured an additional 200 sq miles of territory. German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande flew to Moscow today (2/6/15) in an attempt to convince Vladimir Putin that the Minsk Protocol must be honored by all parties. The prognosis is not good however, as Putin is not inclined to stop hostilities while the rebels are advancing.

German, French leaders in Kremlin for tense Ukraine talks
 
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