View Poll Results: Should we do as McCain demands, arm Ukraine? And how far should we go?

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  • Yes, but just delivery of arms.

    4 4.35%
  • Yes, but not only arms, we (the West) have to be willing to send in troops

    2 2.17%
  • No, not weapons but we should send in Western troops.

    0 0%
  • No, no weapons or troops

    78 84.78%
  • That is Europe's problem, McCain should let them worry about it.

    7 7.61%
  • We cannot expect the European wimps to deal with it, the US most take charge.

    1 1.09%
  • I don't have an opinion/who cares about Ukraine.

    0 0%
  • Other, namely............

    0 0%
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Thread: John McCain attacks Angela Merkel for her Ukraine policies regarding weapon sales.

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    Re: John McCain attacks Angela Merkel for her Ukraine policies regarding weapon sales

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    John McCain read some novel lately and now doing some counter attack after Mackerel bashed NSA and USA for spying into her telephone conversation.
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    I don't blame him. Nothing worse than a mackerel bashing the USA.
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    Re: John McCain attacks Angela Merkel for her Ukraine policies regarding weapon sales

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Is there a conflict anywhere in the world that McCain does *not* want us to get involved in?
    He does have a tendency to beat the drums of armed conflict in just about any armed conflict in the world.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: John McCain attacks Angela Merkel for her Ukraine policies regarding weapon sales

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    John McCain read some novel lately and now doing some counter attack after Mackerel bashed NSA and USA for spying into her telephone conversation.
    So it is an attack when you complain that your personal and governmental privacy has been breached by what is supposed to be an ally? Sorry, I am not sure everyone will see it like that.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: John McCain attacks Angela Merkel for her Ukraine policies regarding weapon sales

    McCain is making this a black and white issue and it's not. Merkel has relationships with Russia, trade, lots of EURO's at stake. McCain has the benefit of sitting on the US side of things with little to jeopardize, Merkel doesn't have that luxury.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: John McCain attacks Angela Merkel for her Ukraine policies regarding weapon sales

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    John McCain has said about Angela Merkel, the first German prime-minister to have grown up under the oppression of the Communist East Germany, that she is just like the politicians who were guilty of appeasing Adolf Hitler.

    He said in an interview for the German television:

    "Does she just want to stand by and watch how a European country, the first time since the second world war gets trampled?".

    He also has harsh words for the German government, whom he says has a foolish attitude towards Ukraine, when he says:

    "If you look at it, you would think that they are completely clueless or that they do not care that the people in Ukraine are being butchered"


    But is Merkel wrong for not delivering weapons in the hands of what for all purposes intended people who overthrew the (at that moment) legal leadership of Ukraine? Are the Ukrainians not in part themselves to blame for at least part of the problems with the Russian speaking part of their own population?

    Because the first thing the new government did, instead of working towards a more pro-Western policy, was banning the Russian language and talking about making a law that would ban Russian language media in Ukraine.

    Banning the sales of weapons to Russia fine, boycotting the Russians fine too, supporting the Ukrainian government in a lot of things is fine too, but giving them weapons? Has that ever worked if the other side is going to use that excuse (of us arming the anti-Russian Ukrainian government) as a justification to send in Russian troops and masses of Russian troops.

    Maybe forcing the Ukrainians and Russian Ukrainians to negotiate and make a peace treaty restoring the status of the minority rights back to before the latest government rules to undo those rights (supported by Ukrainian nationalists)? Or should we pour in weapons/troops?
    McCain is a piece of **** who has his lips on the cocks of the military industrial complex.It seems every time he opens his ****en mouth in regard to what is going on outside USA its "we got to send in troop", "we got to arm this group" or "that group" or "waa how dare Obama say we ain't going to send in troops". What goes on between Russia and Ukraine is none of our damn business. What goes in the middle east is none of our damn business.
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    Re: John McCain attacks Angela Merkel for her Ukraine policies regarding weapon sales

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Maybe forcing the Ukrainians and Russian Ukrainians to negotiate and make a peace treaty restoring the status of the minority rights back to before the latest government rules to undo those rights.
    The government and rebels did negotiate, and signed an agreement on 5 September 2014 in Minsk, Belarus called the Minsk Protocol . It was also signed by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) and the Russian Federation. As a result of the Minsk Protocol, the Ukraine parliament passed what was called the Special Status Law (SSL). It was signed into law by Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko. This legislation granted special status to the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine. Among the items granted was more autonomy, amnesty for all those who had not committed war crimes, recognition of the Russian language, and regional elections (Donetsk/Luhansk) to be held in accordance with the Minsk Protocol which specified that the elections must adhere to Ukrainian law. Ukraine scheduled these elections for December 7, 2014.

    In violation of the Minsk Protocol and Ukrainian law, the rebels unilaterally held a referendum on 2 November 2014. No country in the world, not even Russia, officially recognized the referendum results. As a result of this blatant violation, Ukraine annulled the Special Status Law. On 23 January 2015, the rebels announced they would not honor the Minsk Protocol and launched a multi-front military offensive with arms and munitions supplied by the Russian Federation.

    Pro-Russia Rebels Reject Peace Deal, Launch New Offensive

    Since then, the rebels have captured an additional 200 sq miles of territory. German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande flew to Moscow today (2/6/15) in an attempt to convince Vladimir Putin that the Minsk Protocol must be honored by all parties. The prognosis is not good however, as Putin is not inclined to stop hostilities while the rebels are advancing.

    German, French leaders in Kremlin for tense Ukraine talks


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