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    Does Partisanship make it difficult for people to discuss politics?

    I don't think that I am making any stunning revelation by stating the obvious fact that politics is a controversial subject, with people of many different viewpoints arguing together. It is also no surprise to anyone that politics can divide people over all kinds subjects.

    Now there is nothing wrong with having different points of view, but I sometimes worry that some people's political views are so partisan that they cannot acknowledge people that hold different political positions then they do. In fact, it often feels like people hate each other for having different political leanings.

    My question is an open one: how do you approach political discussions?
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    Re: Does Partisanship make it difficult for people to discuss politics?

    My approach is scorched earth, take no prisoners. Hoo ya.

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    Re: Does Partisanship make it difficult for people to discuss politics?

    I try not to discuss politics. Ever.
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    Re: Does Partisanship make it difficult for people to discuss politics?

    Ignorance makes it harder. Most people who you would label as partisan hacks simply don't know very much. They don't know a lot about their own side, and they know almost nothing about the other. Or any of the myriad other positions that aren't mainstream R or D. Most don't know that such a thing is possible.

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    Re: Does Partisanship make it difficult for people to discuss politics?

    Interesting OP. And I'll bet there are many different answers that you'll get. With me I'll say "It depends".

    I have some very Liberal friends. We've agreed to not discuss politics at all. They won't change my mind, and I won't change theirs.

    I have a lot of moderate friends. We actually talk politics a lot. We all try to learn from each other. Sometimes we start with a single issue, like elections, but sometimes it starts by asking a question - "What do you think about Keystone", or things like that.

    I have a lot of pretty far right leaning friends. I usually do well with them too unless I say something crazy like "I'm not a big fan of Ted Cruz" (or something similar).

    I love to discuss politics with my customers if they take the lead and it's obvious that they aren't completely on the opposite side of an issue from me. If they are, I either don't let it go on (avoidance), or I pretend to agree. Yes, I know that's dishonest but my team has a very large revenue goal to make up.

    I love to discuss politics on here but sometimes I think I don't fit in here because I'm not rude enough. There are only a handful of posters I can't stand, and they're on ignore. Some of my favorite posters on here are definitely not centrists.
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    Re: Does Partisanship make it difficult for people to discuss politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I don't think that I am making any stunning revelation by stating the obvious fact that politics is a controversial subject, with people of many different viewpoints arguing together. It is also no surprise to anyone that politics can divide people over all kinds subjects.

    Now there is nothing wrong with having different points of view, but I sometimes worry that some people's political views are so partisan that they cannot acknowledge people that hold different political positions then they do. In fact, it often feels like people hate each other for having different political leanings.

    My question is an open one: how do you approach political discussions?
    1. Don't allow emotional arguments to take the place of rational ones.
    2. Don't be afraid to admit when I'm wrong or have made a mistake.
    3. Operate on facts, not assumptions.
    4. Be willing to try to see the other's guys point without making judgment on it.
    5. Don't be afraid to offend using the truth.
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    Re: Does Partisanship make it difficult for people to discuss politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I don't think that I am making any stunning revelation by stating the obvious fact that politics is a controversial subject, with people of many different viewpoints arguing together. It is also no surprise to anyone that politics can divide people over all kinds subjects.

    Now there is nothing wrong with having different points of view, but I sometimes worry that some people's political views are so partisan that they cannot acknowledge people that hold different political positions then they do. In fact, it often feels like people hate each other for having different political leanings.

    My question is an open one: how do you approach political discussions?

    I don't think there is an answer or approach. We haven't evolved enough, I guess.

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    Re: Does Partisanship make it difficult for people to discuss politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I don't think that I am making any stunning revelation by stating the obvious fact that politics is a controversial subject, with people of many different viewpoints arguing together. It is also no surprise to anyone that politics can divide people over all kinds subjects.

    Now there is nothing wrong with having different points of view, but I sometimes worry that some people's political views are so partisan that they cannot acknowledge people that hold different political positions then they do. In fact, it often feels like people hate each other for having different political leanings.

    My question is an open one: how do you approach political discussions?
    Political discussions are pointless unless you're willing to understand and maybe even empathize with the other point of view. Maybe not have to agree with it, but you should respsect it.

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    Re: Does Partisanship make it difficult for people to discuss politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I don't think that I am making any stunning revelation by stating the obvious fact that politics is a controversial subject, with people of many different viewpoints arguing together. It is also no surprise to anyone that politics can divide people over all kinds subjects.

    Now there is nothing wrong with having different points of view, but I sometimes worry that some people's political views are so partisan that they cannot acknowledge people that hold different political positions then they do. In fact, it often feels like people hate each other for having different political leanings.

    My question is an open one: how do you approach political discussions?
    My brother in law is very conservative, I am very liberal. We end up spending alot of time together and since we are both interested in politics we end up talking about it(though not when others are around, since they get worried...). In short order, we are both yelling. A few minutes later we are both in agreement on something and bitching our government can't figure out how to do what we can. Partisanship is not the problem, it is being unwilling to listen, and unwilling to look for common ground. Those things are not partisan.
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    Re: Does Partisanship make it difficult for people to discuss politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I don't think that I am making any stunning revelation by stating the obvious fact that politics is a controversial subject, with people of many different viewpoints arguing together. It is also no surprise to anyone that politics can divide people over all kinds subjects.

    Now there is nothing wrong with having different points of view, but I sometimes worry that some people's political views are so partisan that they cannot acknowledge people that hold different political positions then they do. In fact, it often feels like people hate each other for having different political leanings.

    My question is an open one: how do you approach political discussions?
    For the most part no. I would hate to be on a message board for example where everyone agreed with me. it would turn into a circle jerk.

    What I can't stand though...is when people roll in with strawmen, ad hom's and stereotypes and try to outright invalidate someone's views just because they have a certain lean. It's a dumb move made by dumb people that have been too long in an echo chamber.
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