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Thread: Has Responsibility to Protect become neocon militarism in disguise?

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    Re: Has Responsibility to Protect become neocon militarism in disguise?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Using the doctrine of Responsibility to Protect the Obama administration engaged in military intervention in Libya. The result was the overthrow of the Gaddafi regime.

    Has responsibility to protect become neocon militarism in disguise?
    First time I ever heard Obama being referred to as a neocon.

    That said, it was NATO that intervened in Libya, primarily at the urging of the French, with a great deal of foot dragging on the part of Obama who was shamed into participation at the last minute.
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    Re: Has Responsibility to Protect become neocon militarism in disguise?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I say yes. Lots of these politcians seem to have their mouths planted on the cocks of the military industrial complex.
    Agreed.

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    Re: Has Responsibility to Protect become neocon militarism in disguise?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    First time I ever heard Obama being referred to as a neocon.
    No it's not the first time because I didn't say that he was. He has been neocon influenced however, and to see that one need only look to his appointment of Victoria Nuland and the praise he has received from Robert Kagan.

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    Re: Has Responsibility to Protect become neocon militarism in disguise?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Using the doctrine of Responsibility to Protect the Obama administration engaged in military intervention in Libya. The result was the overthrow of the Gaddafi regime.

    Has responsibility to protect become neocon militarism in disguise?
    I have no idea what "neocon militarism" is, in disguise or otherwise, except for a glib, cliche slur at something that irks you.

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    Re: Has Responsibility to Protect become neocon militarism in disguise?

    The answer is..... sort of.

    Responsibility to Protect and Neoconservative foreign policy both flow from the same argument: that America's foreign policy should reflect her values, that the enemies of human liberty should be ours, and that we are ultimately safer when our values are spread.

    Where R2P seems to have fallen down is that Neoconservatives also argue that you should be able to follow through in a competent manner. So, as much as it has been put into practice under Samanta Powers' influence, R2P has diverged in that "leading from behind" or "leading by following" or "being exceptional just like everyone else" has become the norm rather than.... you know.... actual leadership.

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    Re: Has Responsibility to Protect become neocon militarism in disguise?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The answer is..... sort of.

    Responsibility to Protect and Neoconservative foreign policy both flow from the same argument: that America's foreign policy should reflect her values, that the enemies of human liberty should be ours, and that we are ultimately safer when our values are spread.

    Where R2P seems to have fallen down is that Neoconservatives also argue that you should be able to follow through in a competent manner. So, as much as it has been put into practice under Samanta Powers' influence, R2P has diverged in that "leading from behind" or "leading by following" or "being exceptional just like everyone else" has become the norm rather than.... you know.... actual leadership.
    OK, but I would argue that the neocons had their chance to shine under George W Bush. The invasion of Iraq was a display an very high degree of incompetence.

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    Re: Has Responsibility to Protect become neocon militarism in disguise?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I agree. But I feel that it can be misused. In particular, I think it was used as an excuse by Obama to depose what had been a thorn in the side of the west in Gaddafi. What do you think about that specific instance?
    Most law can be misused. But deposing of Gaddafi was not such. He had started to shoot at the demonstrators.

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