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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Alright, and I don't think pot should be legal because it ruins lives and it is appealing to young people. In spite of what you might think, legalizing it will only make usage go up.... look at Colorado, for example. Now, it's hard to find someone living in that state who doesn't smoke marijuana. In neighboring Utah, Kansas, or Wyoming, pot use is much lower.
    A couple of things - all drugs ruin lives and are appealing to young people, alcohol included, and half of 18-25 year olds in CO binge drink. Second, we don't know over time whether legalization makes usage go up. In CO, the data show use by high school kids has declined from 2009 thru 2013 as they've legalized use, and was lower than the national average despite the permissive laws over that time period. In 2014, the data show use did go up for all ages, but we don't know if that will continue or if large numbers will use a little bit and then use trends back down.

    I don't think we should give up on the war on drugs just because we've hit some bumps in the road. Anyone who compares it to the prohibition era is overstating the problem. Drug use in this country is not nearly as rampant or widespread as alcohol use was during that time, and that's because we send a clear message about its effects on health.
    I'm not sure I'd characterize decades of total failure, especially with pot, as bumps in the road. It's cheap everywhere and available to anyone with a phone, everywhere. Seriously - what even small skirmish has been won? And in the meantime we have the largest population of prisoners on the planet, in raw numbers and per capita. Seems worth considering whether that money can be better spent in treatment, education, etc.

    And the parallels with prohibition are accurate - basically, especially with pot, the population doesn't respect laws against sale or use, which is why we're on a train to legalization or decriminalization nationwide. Most people know drugs aren't good for you, but they also know that pot is no worse than liquor or wine, which kill 88,000 per year versus almost none for pot.

    At the end of the day, to me, it's about kids. If the only people smoking weed were old hippies from the Tommy Chong era, I wouldn't have any problem with that. To those people, I say toke up man, you earned it. But I'm not for anything that encourages, or imparts an air of permissiveness toward weed smoking among people under the age of 30.
    The problem is there is just no data that show legalization will cause more kids to smoke pot. I cited the study in CO above. This study looked at medical marijuana laws elsewhere - no change in teen use. Which isn't that surprising because pot is simply easily available everywhere, and it's not regulated at all, so ALL sellers will sell to anyone with the money.

    I think I could get behind legalizing marijuana for medicinal purposes, although I'm on the fence there. For recreational purposes to anyone over 18.... hell no.
    I guess I don't see why not. Pot is a drug, alcohol is a drug..... Roughly 40,000 die each year just from alcohol USE - the health effects. Another 50,000 die in accidents, drunk driving, etc. Pot is objectively far lower on both counts - roughly zero die from use alone. Objectively it's impossible for me to make a case against legal use by adults for any reason.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    1.)There are plenty of products on the market (supplements, etc.) which are not regulated by the FDA
    2.) and if it is now a legal product, then what "law wise" are you describing?
    1.) yes there are, why does that impact my reasoning though? Things that arent regulated usually fall in a certain class and i wouldnt want it unregulated just like i wouldnt want alcohol unregulated or meat.
    2.) just like there are still laws about alcohol etc there will still be laws needed for this
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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Some places already have twenty year sentences. Guess what? People still sell pot.
    a few have harsher penalties

    and that is when you guys start clamoring that the end is near

    poor poor drug dealer

    20 year sentence....so he chose to try and lighten it by working with the prosecutors

    tragic....but caused by him SELLING drugs in the first place
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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    a few have harsher penalties

    and that is when you guys start clamoring that the end is near

    poor poor drug dealer

    20 year sentence....so he chose to try and lighten it by working with the prosecutors

    tragic....but caused by him SELLING drugs in the first place
    I'm not convinced you know how law works or for that matter gets passed.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    a few have harsher penalties

    and that is when you guys start clamoring that the end is near

    poor poor drug dealer

    20 year sentence....so he chose to try and lighten it by working with the prosecutors

    tragic....but caused by him SELLING drugs in the first place
    What did the man do wrong exactly? All he did was sell pot to a willing buyer. Why does that call for imprisonment for twenty years? So to keep things balanced I suppose murders should be skinned alive.
    Last edited by Henrin; 02-06-15 at 10:28 AM.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What did the man do wrong exactly? All he did was sell pot to a willing buyer. Why does that call for imprisonment for twenty years? So to keep things balanced I suppose murders should be skinned alive.

    this is really simple

    even a two year old should be able to answer

    is SELLING drugs in North Dakota against the law? yes or no?

    that is what he did wrong....it may not be wrong in your eyes....but your opinion doesnt count for **** here

    the law is what the law is.....and people living there have to live within those rules, or face the consequences

    it really is that simple
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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) yes there are, why does that impact my reasoning though? Things that arent regulated usually fall in a certain class and i wouldnt want it unregulated just like i wouldnt want alcohol unregulated or meat.
    2.) just like there are still laws about alcohol etc there will still be laws needed for this
    Laws are one thing, enforcement another--and the costs associated with each. Sure there are things like labeling and consumer information, which is reasonable for any product. There is also enforcement, which could be minimized if weed were sold in the same places and controls used for those who sell alcohol.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm not convinced you know how law works or for that matter gets passed.
    do you think i give a **** what you think?
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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What did the man do wrong exactly? All he did was sell pot to a willing buyer. Why does that call for imprisonment for twenty years? So to keep things balanced I suppose murders should be skinned alive.
    nothing annoys this lawyer and retired prosecutor more than saying something is WRONG merely because it is illegal. IN a free society, intelligent citizens should constantly challenge the merits of ANY prohibitions that ban or limit activity that is not clearly objectively harmful and coercive.



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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I take a practical approach to the issue.
    The overall effect of marijuana prohibition in the last 80+ years has been to increase usage and availability, while swelling our prison population.

    On the other hand, in 30-40 years of campaigning, we have reduced tobacco use by about 50% nationwide, without banning it or putting anyone in prison.

    Why should we thing think similar campaigns wouldn't be more effective than the status quo at reducing marijuana usage?

    You acknowledge alcohol prohibition was an abject failure, and it was correct for us to end that after only 13 years. Why shouldn't we have doubled down in 1933, as we have repeatedly with marijuana for most of a century?

    How is that practical?

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