View Poll Results: Legal Weed: For or Against

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    81 25.88%
  • Conservative against

    8 2.56%
  • Liberal for

    93 29.71%
  • Liberal against

    8 2.56%
  • Independent for

    83 26.52%
  • Independent against

    5 1.60%
  • Conservative, Medicinal only

    30 9.58%
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    4 1.28%
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    6 1.92%
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    5 1.60%
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Thread: National Legalization of Marijuana [W:237]

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I almost agree with you, Henrin...believe it or not. Where I might disagree "any willing sellers". I don't oppose all drugs known to humankind being legal. But counterfeit drugs would pop out everywhere if there is no control over quality.
    Yeah, I agree that is a concern. Still, I think the current system raises the cost of medicine in this country and makes people at the will of doctors to get what they need. I can not in good conscious agree with that.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    While I don't drink at all, I have no problem with people who drink in moderation because science has shown that it does have positive medical effects. People who go out and get drunk, those people I have no respect for. I'm not trying to impose anything on anyone, I've never said anything of the sort, all of these things would need to be adopted by society and I don't see that likely, since modern liberal society has entirely forgotten what personal responsibility and good decision making are. That's one of the major reason why our nation is circling the drain.
    OK, but you said death penalty for dealers, so if you were king for a day, you'd impose a very authoritarian stance on drug use you don't approve of.

    And those are VERY gray lines you're taking a hard line stance around. Where does one draw the line between "moderate" drinking and getting drunk? It will vary based on how much you've eaten, whether you're hydrated, etc. And I find it really odd that you can respect people who get a little bit high, but have no respect for people who get just a bit more high. They're all getting high - it's why they drink.

    And the problem with legalized alcohol is the same as any other drug. There is a fairly significant share of the population who will predictably abuse alcohol - they're the 88,000 who die annually from alcohol use.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I didn't say you were, you brought them up, I responded. I never intended you to take any personal offense, if you did.
    I didn't take any personal offense - I was just pointing out that your views are authoritarian on this issue. You've decided to place drugs in these IMO arbitrary boxes, with those in one box getting the death penalty and others engaged in similar acts allowed to run for POTUS. Users of some drugs are "pathetic" but users of other drugs can be respectable members of society.

    From where I sit, people should do what works for them. For both of us, abstaining works - for others, getting high on occasion works. That's fine with me - more power to them, it's their life.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The point is that observation doesn't tell us whether the War on Drugs lessens the harm.

    It harms some young people, but everyone I knew in college including me smoked pot at least once, several on a more or less regular basis, and not one were harmed by pot.

    But I can make a long list of those I know who have DIED because of alcohol. So this is clearly true: "Alcohol harms people. Young people." And yet it's legal, because prohibition caused more problems than it solved.



    But you're OK with drug dealers and gangsters who sell the drug alcohol? One of them was the GOP nominee for POTUS, and per CDC, alcohol kills 88,000 per year. Shouldn't we also jail the gangster McCain who sells poison to kids?

    There were about 40,000 deaths from drug overdoses. Most of those (at least 55%) were manufactured by pharmaceutical companies. Shouldn't we shut down their drug labs and jail the kingpins making that poison?

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    Yes I'm ok with ppl who sell alcohol because it's legal. Marijuana dealers, on the other hand, are breaking the law. Again, two wrongs don't make a right. Meaning that just because alcohol is harmful that isnt an argument to legalize weed.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It will be a presidential campaign issue in 2016. Where do you stand on the issue?
    Agree it should be legal...just like it is in Colorado.

    Disagree that it'll be a campaign issue, though.
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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Yes I'm ok with ppl who sell alcohol because it's legal. Marijuana dealers, on the other hand, are breaking the law. Again, two wrongs don't make a right. Meaning that just because alcohol is harmful that isnt an argument to legalize weed.
    But the debate is over whether marijuana should be legalized, what the law should be. We all know what the law IS, and it's irrelevant for this debate. If you support different standards for the drugs alcohol and pot based only on their current legality, it's an argument for hypocrisy as optimal policy.

    And my argument to legalize pot isn't that alcohol is also harmful. That was just to push back on those who are vehemently against "drugs" except alcohol. That position isn't against drugs, just opposition to some drugs used by some people who are not my friends, family and colleagues.

    But the arguments for legal pot stand on their own merits. The War on Drugs has failed, pot is widely used, available to any HS kid in the country with a phone call, cheap, more potent than ever, and the money we spend fighting this war is nearly entirely wasted, destroys many lives, for no good purpose. If someone can point out a benefit of this War on Drugs, or the War on Pot, feel free....

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Drug laws should be left up to the states. Abolish the DEA, now.
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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    But the debate is over whether marijuana should be legalized, what the law should be. We all know what the law IS, and it's irrelevant for this debate. If you support different standards for the drugs alcohol and pot based only on their current legality, it's an argument for hypocrisy as optimal policy.

    And my argument to legalize pot isn't that alcohol is also harmful. That was just to push back on those who are vehemently against "drugs" except alcohol. That position isn't against drugs, just opposition to some drugs used by some people who are not my friends, family and colleagues.

    But the arguments for legal pot stand on their own merits. The War on Drugs has failed, pot is widely used, available to any HS kid in the country with a phone call, cheap, more potent than ever, and the money we spend fighting this war is nearly entirely wasted, destroys many lives, for no good purpose. If someone can point out a benefit of this War on Drugs, or the War on Pot, feel free....
    Alright, and I don't think pot should be legal because it ruins lives and it is appealing to young people. In spite of what you might think, legalizing it will only make usage go up.... look at Colorado, for example. Now, it's hard to find someone living in that state who doesn't smoke marijuana. In neighboring Utah, Kansas, or Wyoming, pot use is much lower.

    I don't think we should give up on the war on drugs just because we've hit some bumps in the road. Anyone who compares it to the prohibition era is overstating the problem. Drug use in this country is not nearly as rampant or widespread as alcohol use was during that time, and that's because we send a clear message about its effects on health.

    At the end of the day, to me, it's about kids. If the only people smoking weed were old hippies from the Tommy Chong era, I wouldn't have any problem with that. To those people, I say toke up man, you earned it. But I'm not for anything that encourages, or imparts an air of permissiveness toward weed smoking among people under the age of 30.

    At that age, the brain is still developing, and drug use can be extremely harmful.

    I think I could get behind legalizing marijuana for medicinal purposes, although I'm on the fence there. For recreational purposes to anyone over 18.... hell no.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Drug laws should be left up to the states. Abolish the DEA, now.
    Education should be left up to the states. Abolish the DOE, now.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    1.)But long term marijuana use is linked with lower dopamine levels, which causes a general lack of motivation.

    2.) I'm not saying that a lot of people who use the drug don't already lack motivation to begin with, but the drug does amplify that by changing the levels of neurotransmitters in the brain.
    1.) so that doesnt change anything
    it was still there choice to use it, stay on it, abuse it and not stop it. That has nothing to do with weed. studies have shown video games, internet and many technologies have done the same.

    2.) again thats a problem with the people, not the drug
    as few as i know that fit your descriptions i know probably 10x more that dont . . . so what is the reasoning behind that? its the people, not the drug . . .
    weed had nothing to do with thier shortcomings
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