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    81 25.88%
  • Conservative against

    8 2.56%
  • Liberal for

    93 29.71%
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    8 2.56%
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    83 26.52%
  • Independent against

    5 1.60%
  • Conservative, Medicinal only

    30 9.58%
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    4 1.28%
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    6 1.92%
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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And they should be held accountable for it. There are restrictions in the medical field.
    Meh, I don't care for drug prescription laws. The more doctors that ignore them the better in my book. People should be able to buy whatever drugs they want from any willing seller.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    As far as I'm concerned, anyone who has to inject or ingest, snort or smoke anything to make them feel better about themselves has some serious psychological issues. The point is not to medicate the pathetic, it's to actually push them to grow and get the hell over it.
    Ok, that's fine, but I disagree and so does at least half the country who drink on occasion, plus the share that uses other recreational drugs. You've got a set of values which work for you, but I don't agree that you have a right to impose your values on the rest of us.

    The same goes for religion, people use it as a drug so they don't have to deal with reality on it's own terms, but reality never goes away, no matter how far down the rabbit hole you fall. Drugs don't solve problems, they just ignore them for a while and when you come down, the problems are still there. Weakness of character isn't an excuse, it's a call to action to actually address the weakness and grow a pair. Unfortunately, our increasingly liberal society has stopped caring about holding people responsible for their own lives and issues, now people just want a pill or a patch to make the pain go away with the minimal amount of actual effort required. Sticking a needle in your arm or snorting some powder up your nose should not be seen as an acceptable crutch to help people deal with their issues.
    Again, that's a nice speech for your soapbox, or for your own children, but it's just your opinion. You've managed to take maybe 150 million drug users (roughly 60% of the adult population) and put them in convenient boxes, then condemn them all as somehow inferior to yourself. Maybe they have different priorities, or different ways to enjoy this life, and it's not your job or my job to make their decisions for them.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Libertarians are, by and large, idiots, sorry.
    I'm not a libertarian, but my idea of living in a free country isn't one where you or a bare majority of your fellow abolitionists make life choices for the rest of us. You don't seem to be a fan of religion, but your views on drugs is of the same character as a theocracy imposing religious beliefs on the citizenry - two sides of the same authoritarian coin.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Meh, I don't care for drug prescription laws. The more doctors that ignore them the better in my book. People should be able to buy whatever drugs they want from any willing seller.
    I almost agree with you, Henrin...believe it or not. Where I might disagree "any willing sellers". I don't oppose all drugs known to humankind being legal. But counterfeit drugs would pop out everywhere if there is no control over quality.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I already said that medicinal marijuana is fine, so long as it has a prescription and comes from a legal pharmacy. I don't buy for a second that people should be able to grow their own, any more than I think people should be able to cook up their own prescription drugs. So long as it is controlled and monitored, I'm fine with it, only because we know that it works better than any other medicine we currently have. Anyone who wants to be licensed to dispense legally grown medical marijuana, I'm cool with that. Those that do not... that's their problem.
    Thanks for the clarification. I must have missed that.

    You death penalty\medical use policy would ramp up the violence (particularly for illegal growers) and the profit margins of the drugs. What is now nudge nudge wink wink would become life and death. You apparently think that would be an improvement. I suppose we'd save a bit on prison space, and we'd scare a lot of people. It seems like an incredibly disproportionate response in the case of marijuana.

    The ‹bermensch thing is a ridiculous ego-stroke. Anyone who believes they are immune to the stresses and temptations of the world is a dangerous fool. The idea that we should kill or marginalize those that fall short of your standards is monstrous.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Meh, I don't care for drug prescription laws. The more doctors that ignore them the better in my book. People should be able to buy whatever drugs they want from any willing seller.
    Please refer back to my previous post about libertarians being idiots. Thank you.
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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Please refer back to my previous post about libertarians being idiots. Thank you.
    Allowing people to buy from more sellers should lower prices and give people greater access to what they need. There is no good reason that doctors should have a government sanctioned monopoly on the delivery of many drugs.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Ok, that's fine, but I disagree and so does at least half the country who drink on occasion, plus the share that uses other recreational drugs. You've got a set of values which work for you, but I don't agree that you have a right to impose your values on the rest of us.
    While I don't drink at all, I have no problem with people who drink in moderation because science has shown that it does have positive medical effects. People who go out and get drunk, those people I have no respect for. I'm not trying to impose anything on anyone, I've never said anything of the sort, all of these things would need to be adopted by society and I don't see that likely, since modern liberal society has entirely forgotten what personal responsibility and good decision making are. That's one of the major reason why our nation is circling the drain.
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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'm not a libertarian, but my idea of living in a free country isn't one where you or a bare majority of your fellow abolitionists make life choices for the rest of us. You don't seem to be a fan of religion, but your views on drugs is of the same character as a theocracy imposing religious beliefs on the citizenry - two sides of the same authoritarian coin.
    I didn't say you were, you brought them up, I responded. I never intended you to take any personal offense, if you did.
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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    Thanks for the clarification. I must have missed that.

    You death penalty\medical use policy would ramp up the violence (particularly for illegal growers) and the profit margins of the drugs. What is now nudge nudge wink wink would become life and death. You apparently think that would be an improvement. I suppose we'd save a bit on prison space, and we'd scare a lot of people. It seems like an incredibly disproportionate response in the case of marijuana.

    The ‹bermensch thing is a ridiculous ego-stroke. Anyone who believes they are immune to the stresses and temptations of the world is a dangerous fool. The idea that we should kill or marginalize those that fall short of your standards is monstrous.
    Actually, I don't think it would ramp up violence, I think that the street dealers would take one look at the penalty and the chances of getting caught and stop dealing. You might get people up the chain who are willing to keep it up because of the profit, but once you catch them and they're all dead, how many people are you going to find that take a chance? Personally, I don't care, kill 'em all until someone rents a clue. We need to send a clear and loud message that we will not tolerate illegally dealing drugs by anyone, to anyone, for any reason. This sends that message, if our society had the balls to do it, which, unfortunately, we do not.
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