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    81 25.88%
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    8 2.56%
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    93 29.71%
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    8 2.56%
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    83 26.52%
  • Independent against

    5 1.60%
  • Conservative, Medicinal only

    30 9.58%
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    4 1.28%
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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Death penalty for all dealers, regardless of who they are for one. Keep drug offenders out of prison, put them into mandatory treatment programs. Unfortunately, the libertarian plan is "throw up our hands and admit defeat".
    Great, that will put us in good company with a whole slew of oppressive dictatorships!

    And I think the libertarian approach is to allow adults to be free to make their own choices instead of having them dictated by the state.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Death penalty for all dealers, regardless of who they are for one. Keep drug offenders out of prison, put them into mandatory treatment programs. Unfortunately, the libertarian plan is "throw up our hands and admit defeat".
    That holds for marijuana? You're not just lumping that in with every other recreational drug?

    Would you be executing cancer patients that grow and sells to other cancer patients? That's dealing, no? What if they were non-profit?

    No exceptions at all?

    And you think this is what we should do, not just what is possible?

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    Just making sure. Clearly we disagree.




    I think you're looking at it backwards. The government isn't controlling either of those behaviors. People agree with the law and abide by it, or they ignore it.

    In my area, speeding on the freeway is the norm. People in my neighborhood park in an amazing variety of illegal ways, and aren't ticketed. I drive and park relatively sanely, because I've seen people injured by car incidents, and I don't want to cause one.

    Likewise tax evasion is apparently very common, yet largely goes by the wayside. The Feds may punish thousands, but hundreds of thousands skate. I pay my taxes because I'm too lazy to cheat, and because I don't begrudge paying my share of the cost of government.

    The law can't stop murder either (I've read we make arrests in about 50-70% of murders) but most people refrain because they understand it's wrong.

    And I was talking about the government strongarming adults, not parents strongarming kids.

    Do you have any other examples? I'm hard-pressed to think of anything the government actually successfully enforces outside a prison, courtroom, or military operation.
    Force never convinces a soul, but just hopes that people will bend to it. People are so scared of authority, but the truth of authority is that it must be respected or it is of no consequence and no standing. It is merely a group of annoying people that won't shut up.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Ok, so a guy is selling pot and you want to kill them for it. Ok, that's reasonable if you're the queen of hearts.
    Yup. That ought to be the law. I'm not saying it is, just IMO it should be. Knowingly distributing any number of illicit substances is a crime against society.
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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yup. That ought to be the law. I'm not saying it is, just IMO it should be. Knowingly distributing any number of illicit substances is a crime against society.
    Off with their heads!

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I guess we disagree. I don't think preventing people from getting high is worth fighting a "serious" War on Drugs. I choose now to avoid drugs, but who am I to say to others who drink or smoke pot or even use heroin that they shouldn't be allowed to do that? If it helps them get through the day, or gives them a breather, or provides a way to enjoy life a bit better than they would without drugs, good for them. It's their life, and their choice, and it's a choice humans have made throughout recorded history.

    Our only obligation is to mitigate the harm from a small percentage of drug abusers of all kinds. We have decided that for some drugs we will allow them to be promoted and sold at every street corner, and use the criminal justice system to punish harmful acts, not the drug use itself. Why is that not an appropriate approach for other drugs?
    As far as I'm concerned, anyone who has to inject or ingest, snort or smoke anything to make them feel better about themselves has some serious psychological issues. The point is not to medicate the pathetic, it's to actually push them to grow and get the hell over it. The same goes for religion, people use it as a drug so they don't have to deal with reality on it's own terms, but reality never goes away, no matter how far down the rabbit hole you fall. Drugs don't solve problems, they just ignore them for a while and when you come down, the problems are still there. Weakness of character isn't an excuse, it's a call to action to actually address the weakness and grow a pair. Unfortunately, our increasingly liberal society has stopped caring about holding people responsible for their own lives and issues, now people just want a pill or a patch to make the pain go away with the minimal amount of actual effort required. Sticking a needle in your arm or snorting some powder up your nose should not be seen as an acceptable crutch to help people deal with their issues.
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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Great, that will put us in good company with a whole slew of oppressive dictatorships!

    And I think the libertarian approach is to allow adults to be free to make their own choices instead of having them dictated by the state.
    Libertarians are, by and large, idiots, sorry.
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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    That holds for marijuana? You're not just lumping that in with every other recreational drug?

    Would you be executing cancer patients that grow and sells to other cancer patients? That's dealing, no? What if they were non-profit?

    No exceptions at all?

    And you think this is what we should do, not just what is possible?
    I already said that medicinal marijuana is fine, so long as it has a prescription and comes from a legal pharmacy. I don't buy for a second that people should be able to grow their own, any more than I think people should be able to cook up their own prescription drugs. So long as it is controlled and monitored, I'm fine with it, only because we know that it works better than any other medicine we currently have. Anyone who wants to be licensed to dispense legally grown medical marijuana, I'm cool with that. Those that do not... that's their problem.
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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I already said that medicinal marijuana is fine, so long as it has a prescription and comes from a legal pharmacy.
    Thankfully some doctors are pretty loose with prescriptions.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Thankfully some doctors are pretty loose with prescriptions.
    And they should be held accountable for it. There are restrictions in the medical field.
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