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    81 25.88%
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    8 2.56%
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    93 29.71%
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    83 26.52%
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    5 1.60%
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    4 1.28%
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Thread: National Legalization of Marijuana [W:237]

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    And marijuana harms people. Young people.
    I'm sure it does. I'm sure everything in this world harms us in some way or another. I hope that one day you learn what peace means and not just feel the peace sign looks cool as an avatar. Peace.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Awesome. At least you're consistent. And I'm glad you have no political power, because that would be quite a scary world to live in. A world in which countless people are addicted to heroin and all other sorts of drugs.

    You know that drug addicts are many times more likely to commit serious crimes than non drug addicts?

    That said, I don't even think cigarettes should be legal.
    A world where you have to get people to agree with you instead of bending them to your will is a terrible thing for some.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    you dont like alcohol....get the laws changed

    see if i give a damn
    You're intentionally avoiding the point. If you cared about harmful "drugs" you WOULD give a big damn about a drug that kills 88,000 Americans per year. That you don't indicates it's not drugs you care about, but some drugs used by some people.

    illegal drugs....pot, cocaine, heroin, pills, crack and many many more are harmful to our society, and to the individuals that consume them

    i have seen it firsthand.....
    I have too - lots of it. A charity I work with takes in the homeless, most are addicted to meth or opiates these days. It's devastating. But the War on Drugs didn't stop them from getting high or getting drugs. And the jail where I sometimes volunteer probably 80% according to our host are there as a direct result of drugs. So we put them in jail, they get a felony record, we spend $100,000 to house them for a few years, and what have we accomplished? Not a damn thing - if they were dealers, someone took their place the day they were arrested. If they were users and didn't get treated in jail, most will use again when they get out, if they aren't using while in prison, which is rampant.

    I've also seen the ravages of alcohol and alcoholism, and in my part of the world alcohol is the main killer, drunk driving, diseases directly related to alcohol use, etc.

    i will fight the legalization of all drugs, period
    Except alcohol apparently.

    you will fight for the other side.....we both seem to have our minds completely made up

    and maybe you dont care if people take drugs or "get high".......i do
    I don't care if they get high, same as the roughly 70% of Americans who drank in the past 12 months, and the 56% of Americans who drink and get high each month. I care a great deal about the $225 billion that alcohol abuse cost us last year, AND the $190 billion attributed to illicit drug abuse including prescription drugs.

    I'm not convinced the War on Drugs does a thing to help the situation, and especially don't believe pot is any more dangerous than the drug alcohol. The charity takes in a lot of people with addictions, but pot isn't the main addiction of any of them. Alcohol plays a major or contributing role in almost all of them.
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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I don't care if they get high, same as the roughly 70% of Americans who drank in the past 12 months, and the 56% of Americans who drink and get high each month. I care a great deal about the $225 billion that alcohol abuse cost us last year, AND the $190 billion attributed to illicit drug abuse including prescription drugs.

    I'm not convinced the War on Drugs does a thing to help the situation, and especially don't believe pot is any more dangerous than the drug alcohol.
    That's because we do not now, nor have we ever had a War on Drugs. We have a Media Campaign on Drugs. We talk about it a lot. We throw some people in jail. We are not now, nor have we ever been serious about winning it. We're just wasting money on a nonsense "war", the solution isn't to just stop fighting, it's to actually be serious.

    That's something modern-day America doesn't do for anything.
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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That's because we do not now, nor have we ever had a War on Drugs. We have a Media Campaign on Drugs. We talk about it a lot. We throw some people in jail. We are not now, nor have we ever been serious about winning it. We're just wasting money on a nonsense "war", the solution isn't to just stop fighting, it's to actually be serious.

    That's something modern-day America doesn't do for anything.
    So what's your plan?

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So what's your plan?
    Death penalty for all dealers, regardless of who they are for one. Keep drug offenders out of prison, put them into mandatory treatment programs. Unfortunately, the libertarian plan is "throw up our hands and admit defeat".
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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    i didnt say it did, or was

    what i would like to see is even harsher penalties for sellers/distributors.......minimum 15/20 year sentences for first offences
    Some places already have twenty year sentences. Guess what? People still sell pot.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Death penalty for all dealers, regardless of who they are for one. Keep drug offenders out of prison, put them into mandatory treatment programs. Unfortunately, the libertarian plan is "throw up our hands and admit defeat".
    Ok, so a guy is selling pot and you want to kill them for it. Ok, that's reasonable if you're the queen of hearts.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That's because we do not now, nor have we ever had a War on Drugs. We have a Media Campaign on Drugs. We talk about it a lot. We throw some people in jail. We are not now, nor have we ever been serious about winning it. We're just wasting money on a nonsense "war", the solution isn't to just stop fighting, it's to actually be serious.

    That's something modern-day America doesn't do for anything.
    I guess we disagree. I don't think preventing people from getting high is worth fighting a "serious" War on Drugs. I choose now to avoid drugs, but who am I to say to others who drink or smoke pot or even use heroin that they shouldn't be allowed to do that? If it helps them get through the day, or gives them a breather, or provides a way to enjoy life a bit better than they would without drugs, good for them. It's their life, and their choice, and it's a choice humans have made throughout recorded history.

    Our only obligation is to mitigate the harm from a small percentage of drug abusers of all kinds. We have decided that for some drugs we will allow them to be promoted and sold at every street corner, and use the criminal justice system to punish harmful acts, not the drug use itself. Why is that not an appropriate approach for other drugs?

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    yes....for growers, sellers, and distributors

    i could care less if the penalties/fines etc for users are reduced

    i want the people who market the drugs...who sell the drugs....who transport them across the country to know that if and when they are caught, it wont be a slap on the wrist

    mine may not be the majority opinion, but i wouldnt call it a fringe opinion either
    Just making sure. Clearly we disagree.


    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    really?

    we cant strongarm people into doing what we want them to do?

    do you WANT to pay taxes? why do you?

    do you WANT to drive the speed limit? why do you?
    I think you're looking at it backwards. The government isn't controlling either of those behaviors. People agree with the law and abide by it, or they ignore it.

    In my area, speeding on the freeway is the norm. People in my neighborhood park in an amazing variety of illegal ways, and aren't ticketed. I drive and park relatively sanely, because I've seen people injured by car incidents, and I don't want to cause one.

    Likewise tax evasion is apparently very common, yet largely goes by the wayside. The Feds may punish thousands, but hundreds of thousands skate. I pay my taxes because I'm too lazy to cheat, and because I don't begrudge paying my share of the cost of government.

    The law can't stop murder either (I've read we make arrests in about 50-70% of murders) but most people refrain because they understand it's wrong.

    And I was talking about the government strongarming adults, not parents strongarming kids.

    Do you have any other examples? I'm hard-pressed to think of anything the government actually successfully enforces outside a prison, courtroom, or military operation.

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