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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    But crimes committed by drug users and dealers are in part a consequence of criminalization. There is also a relatively small share of the population that is inclined to use "hard" drugs and the evidence appears to be that those who are inclined pay no attention to drug laws. And the fact that drugs are illegal, possession punishable by jail time, makes treatment more difficult and less likely. So whether the Drug War actually does any good, reduces addiction or the problems associated with drug use, is not a given. What is known is criminalization is an invitation for crime, turf battles, drug related violence, it greatly increases the prison population and all the costs associated with housing them, felony convictions, etc.

    Portugal's experiment with drug legalization has been a success. Drug use actually went DOWN, not up. Treatment went up, easily funded by drops in the incarceration rate.

    Decriminalizing Drugs in Portugal a Success, Says Report - TIME

    There are problems with assuming Portugal's approach would work in the U.S. but the bigger point is we assume criminalization somehow "works" to reduce the problems of drugs and there is simply a lot of evidence that our approach on balance at least MAY cause more problems than it actually solves.
    So should we legalize everything and anything then?

    I mean, where does your logic end? If criminalization invites crime, what should remain illegal, if anything?

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    i didnt say it did, or was

    what i would like to see is even harsher penalties for sellers/distributors.......minimum 15/20 year sentences for first offences

    users cant use if they cant find or procure the product

    growers/sellers/distributors is where is would really make the penalties harsh

    no leniency.....you want to do the crime, be prepared to do some major time
    I can only say I'm glad that is a increasingly fringe position.

    So I'm clear, you feel that's the appropriate policy for marijuana?

    We aren't talking about other drugs right now.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    Nothing wrong with being against the behavior, but do you think lying about it's medical effects (not yourself, the government) and putting people in prison is good public policy?

    Consider what focusing on the truth has done for tobacco use over the last couple decades versus what lying about marijuana has done in the last century.

    We don't need to make it illegal and put people in jail to discourage it's use.

    Counter-intuitively, those policies are amplifying the problems by increasing profitability for illegal dealers and turning huge masses of people into scofflaws based (quite justifiably) on the lies they have been told for over a generation. To say nothing of the costs of "enforcement."
    Were we a nation of responsible adults, I might agree with your logic. We aren't, entirely.

    Marijuana appeals to youths, and for that reason, regulation is appropriate.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I can sum up my response thusly: two wrongs don't make a right.

    Can't say mamma never taught me anything....
    Sorry but that response makes no sense. We should choose the option that does the least harm.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    i didnt say it did, or was

    what i would like to see is even harsher penalties for sellers/distributors.......minimum 15/20 year sentences for first offences

    users cant use if they cant find or procure the product

    growers/sellers/distributors is where is would really make the penalties harsh

    no leniency.....you want to do the crime, be prepared to do some major time
    Are you a prison industry lobbyist?

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Sorry but that response makes no sense. We should choose the option that does the least harm.
    And marijuana harms people. Young people.

    I'm not going to feel sorry for drug dealers and gangsters who feel they are "harmed" by being jailed for breaking the law. My sympathy is reserved for the kids they sell their poison to.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    People can get addicted to anything that stimulates the pleasure centers of the brain. Marijuana addiction is much the same as gambling addiction or porn addiction or video game addiction.


    yes, I understand "phycological addiction" or in layman's terms "habits". that said, only one of these is illegal and it may have about as much "harm" as video game "addiction".


    and... and... according to the links provided 91% of users according to THEM, will never have a "dependence" (note not "Addiction") issue.
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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I bet he doesn't hate cops either, the poser.




    I don't hate cops. I have some very specific issues with modern policing.
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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    A very long time ago on the DICK CAVETT show, the host stated that he was for the decriminalization of marijuana but against its use.

    I think that is a solid position although I would imagine that now decriminalization would be replaced with legalization and taxation but against its use.

    That tends to summarize my own position.
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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Were we a nation of responsible adults, I might agree with your logic. We aren't, entirely.

    Marijuana appeals to youths, and for that reason, regulation is appropriate.
    Regulation comes in many forms. How does imprisoning people improve the situation?

    If we want a nation of responsible adults, we need to start treating them like adults.

    You can't strongarm adults into behaving the way you want. You have to convince them.

    We managed it with tobacco without putting smokers in prison. We can do it with marijuana.

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