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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    No.

    Not national legalization.

    Removal of it from the narcotics list as it isn't one, and allow the individual states the right to regulate or ban.
    Exactly. Until it is not banned by the feds, it is not legal.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    For those who say legalize it and tax it. Would you be willing to say legalize it and NOT tax it?
    Of course. The tax revenue is just a carrot to lure the opposition. The savings on enforcement alone easily make the change worthwhile. Imagine all the police and court resources that would be freed up to work on something useful.

    Culturally, trading a policy based in misinformation for one based in reality can't be bad. It's easy to disrespect a government that persists in policies that are obviously not working.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    For those who say legalize it and tax it. Would you be willing to say legalize it and NOT tax it?
    I would since I feel the most important thing to do is to mitigate the harms caused by prohibition, and legalization alone would go along way towards that end; however taxation if done within reason and allocated towards education and treatment would also go a long way to dealing with our drug problem.

    Primarily we need to end prohibition to divorce the manufactured criminal problem from the underlying drug problems, then we should focus all of the available resources and efforts to reducing the drug problem - taxation would go a long way towards furthering the latter goal, but I feel the former goal is the most paramount.
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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Thank you for the response. Would not those who force society to incur a cost have to pay a fine rather than taxing it for everyone?
    Sure, addicts who need treatment should be charged for it, but the reality is they often won't be able to afford it. And even with legalization, police will be required to deal with drugs on a daily basis at some level in most places, same way they deal with alcohol daily. Social services will deal with addicted mothers or parents. Some drug users will be homeless like they are now. Etc.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Against.

    Don't want young people exposed to marijuana. I've seen too many lives ruined by the stuff.

    pretty simple answer

    and a really good one
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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Against.

    Don't want young people exposed to marijuana. I've seen too many lives ruined by the stuff.
    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    pretty simple answer

    and a really good one
    Fair enough, but how is the current policy accomplishing that goal?

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    But being against drug USE is different than supporting sending drug users and sellers to jail, ruining their lives.

    I've seen many more lives ruined by alcohol than pot but we can have an alcohol kingpin (McCain) run for POTUS. And I can't think of a single objective metric which we'd evaluate pot worse than alcohol, but we're encouraged by ads consume one, and one sends people to jail. It's just impossible for me to find a reason to treat one substance different than the other, and since prohibition of alcohol failed, and prohibition of pot has a decades long history of failure, it should be legalized.

    The other big problem with pot is it's illegal, but use is rampant, including by some very high profile public figures, such as our Presidents. I think many of those who oppose legalization can do so knowing that if they or their HS or college age child gets caught, they'll hire a lawyer, and the problem will go away - Junior can still go to med school and be a doctor or a lawyer or whatever. But they're OK sending the lower class "dealer" to jail and hanging a felony on that person for selling it to Junior because Junior won't ever be a "dealer." Seems hypocritical to me, and in an especially pernicious way.
    I can sum up my response thusly: two wrongs don't make a right.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    Fair enough, but how is the current policy accomplishing that goal?

    i didnt say it did, or was

    what i would like to see is even harsher penalties for sellers/distributors.......minimum 15/20 year sentences for first offences

    users cant use if they cant find or procure the product

    growers/sellers/distributors is where is would really make the penalties harsh

    no leniency.....you want to do the crime, be prepared to do some major time
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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yes...
    At least you're consistent. Glad you're a fringe and not the mainstream though.

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    Re: National Legalization of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Because there is NOT libertarian government rule in Colorado. The legalization of marijuana (a decidedly LibertariaN goal for decades) will not be accompanied by a libertarian approach to social services. Use has already been shown to have skyrocketed, with use increasing in kids as young as age 12. Use of other illegal drugs have also increased during that same time period. National Survey on Drug Use and Health, 2013

    There is a dirty little secret. SOME people can use marijuana just like they use alcohol. Function perfectly well during the week, hang out, smoke a few joints and get mellow once or twice during the week and maybe get lit on the weekend...life is good. Others...others are addicts. Psychological addiction comes with a cost. Homelessness, joblessness, increase in crime, increase in health care costs, to say nothing of the increase in those populations from homeless people in other states moving to a state with friendlier drug rules. Its far too early to tell what kind of long term impact it will actually have on schooling, graduation rates, college attendance, job prep, etc.

    Will there be identified gains? Sure. Incarceration costs may immediately decrease. And as far as 'addictions' go, its an easily treated disorder. Essentially...there is no treatment for marijuana addiction. But...all addicts tend to suffer greater health problems. Someone is going to have to foot the bill. To that end, Colorado would be wise to bank that money.
    Liberty is liberty, the consequence of 'we the people' enjoying freedom is the only relevant metric. I mean we could say that X activity causes a social and economic cost. But that turns into a slippery slope that can lead to zero liberty and freedoms.

    Excessive taxes shouldnt be horded by the government, they should be returned to tax payers so IF the funds are needed later they can be paid by the growing tax payer base.

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