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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    That was a good response. Thanks for that.

    Here's the flaw with what he said, he appears to think that there is a such thing as self identification that is based on character that is free from bodily identification. That is not the case.
    Hm. Well I would say that my self visualization probably includes "fat", because I stopped running after the Marine Corps, and enjoyed not PT'ing for basically a year, but other than that, I can't really think of anything about my body that I throw up there. Other items (father, husband, friend, Christian, my employment) are what I self-define with.

    I think you are projecting (as I described) your own focus on the color of your skin on to others.

    Character is based on relative concepts of what is right and what is wrong that are indeed rooted in the bodily concepts of what is tasteful and distasteful. Therefore character is ultimately tied to the body can therefore be related to the color of one's skin.
    This is incorrect for multiple reasons, not least of which is the idea that right and wrong are inherently rooted in bodily concepts of tasteful/distasteful (some can be). For example, I think it is immoral to cheat at games. Whether I am sitting across from you and you can see me, or if it's on a forum and you cannot is immaterial to that.

    Having said that, there is a such thing as absolute character, but that is on the transcendental platform and is another discussion, beyond politics and racism.
    Well there is an Absolute Morality.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    It would be racist if it portrayed Obama as a different race. It would not be funny if it didn't infer that feces and chocolate were the same color.
    That's the joke. No matter how great the perceived failure (from the conservative perspective), Obama has tried to sell it as a great victory. It comes out shyte but he tells you it's really just lovely chocolate.

    Of course, liberals will try to make it about racism. It's a Pavlovian response.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I guess it depends on the cartoonist's intention. Did he mean it as just a joke or is there any deeper meaning. I'm not really familiar with the guy so I can't really say but I do know white chocolate sucks. Just way too sweet, I prefer milk chocolate.
    There is an old joke that says if black is beautiful that my feces is a masterpiece.

    The cartoon can be viewed as racist because it subtly plays on the notions of Obama's skin color, chocolate and feces.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    There is an old joke that says if black is beautiful that my feces is a masterpiece.

    The cartoon can be viewed as racist because it subtly plays on the notions of Obama's skin color, chocolate and feces.
    It can be viewed as racist (by stupid people) because it subtly plays on the notions of Obama's skin color (for stupid people), choloate and feces.

    For those that AREN'T stupid, it would be clear that the whole point of the "joke" had nothing at all to do with skin color but to do with reality vs. perception and spin.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The cartoon. Look. Read. See what it says. Drink a cup of coffee or two. Take it all in and apply some thought. You'll see it for yourself if you do that.
    okay. I guess you can read minds and know that's the simple answer. I wouldn't expect more anyway but talk about applying some thought then taking everything at face value.
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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    There is an old joke that says if black is beautiful that my feces is a masterpiece.

    The cartoon can be viewed as racist because it subtly plays on the notions of Obama's skin color, chocolate and feces.
    It's very subtle that will fly over some peoples heads while they tell you to apply some thought to it.
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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Hm. Well I would say that my self visualization probably includes "fat", because I stopped running after the Marine Corps, and enjoyed not PT'ing for basically a year, but other than that, I can't really think of anything about my body that I throw up there. Other items (father, husband, friend, Christian, my employment) are what I self-define with.
    All of those things, father, husband, etc. are based on the bodily concept of life.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    This is incorrect for multiple reasons, not least of which is the idea that right and wrong are inherently rooted in bodily concepts of tasteful/distasteful (some can be). For example, I think it is immoral to cheat at games. Whether I am sitting across from you and you can see me, or if it's on a forum and you cannot is immaterial to that.
    They are rooted in the bodily concept of life. Because the sentient being is occupying a body, when the sentient being plays a game it is doing so with it's physical body in conjunction with the activities of it's mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well there is an Absolute Morality.
    Agreed. But that is different from the mundane, relative concepts of what is right and what is wrong.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    okay. I guess you can read minds and know that's the simple answer. I wouldn't expect more anyway but talk about applying some thought then taking everything at face value.
    Oh, no, it's really important to assume that the use of any word that we associate with a dark colored object or substance - and includes the word "Obama" must be racist if there is an implied criticism of "The One".

    Liberals have become the boy who cried "racism".

    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    It's very subtle that will fly over some peoples heads while they tell you to apply some thought to it.
    That is right, and it may be why some do not get it. But they are entitled to their opinion and I respect that.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    It's very subtle that will fly over some peoples heads while they tell you to apply some thought to it.
    Explain the negative connotation about race that's so subtle. Or is it soooooo subtle that you can't explain the pejorative connotation?
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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