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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Is there any kind of examples you can provide of a notion of a "chocolate touch" outside of this?
    The Chocolate Touch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "The Chocolate Touch covers roughly the same narrative as the myth of King Midas, but in changing the object of its protagonist's desire, modifies its target in significant ways. The myth of King Midas, who loved gold above all things, targets greed as its main theme, while The Chocolate Touch highlights another of the Seven Deadly Sins, gluttony. Both stories deal with self-centeredness vs. compassion, though The Chocolate Touch does so in a manner accessible to children. Although John's self-centeredness is unlike most other cases of self-centerdness that put other people at a disadvantage; in John's case he wants his family to stop telling him what he can and cannot eat. Towards the end of the story John comes to realize that his parents' and doctor's demand for healthy eating was for his own good. While people reading the myth of King Midas may not all have daughters of their own, almost all have mothers. In recasting the Midas story with a younger protagonist, author Catling hits on some of children's worst fears, albeit with a light touch.

    Protagonists and Antagonists:
    John Midas as the center character but antagonist
    Mr. & Mrs. Midas, the candy shop owner as the protagonist."

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    The Chocolate Touch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "The Chocolate Touch covers roughly the same narrative as the myth of King Midas, but in changing the object of its protagonist's desire, modifies its target in significant ways. The myth of King Midas, who loved gold above all things, targets greed as its main theme, while The Chocolate Touch highlights another of the Seven Deadly Sins, gluttony. Both stories deal with self-centeredness vs. compassion, though The Chocolate Touch does so in a manner accessible to children. Although John's self-centeredness is unlike most other cases of self-centerdness that put other people at a disadvantage; in John's case he wants his family to stop telling him what he can and cannot eat. Towards the end of the story John comes to realize that his parents' and doctor's demand for healthy eating was for his own good. While people reading the myth of King Midas may not all have daughters of their own, almost all have mothers. In recasting the Midas story with a younger protagonist, author Catling hits on some of children's worst fears, albeit with a light touch.

    Protagonists and Antagonists:
    John Midas as the center character but antagonist
    Mr. & Mrs. Midas, the candy shop owner as the protagonist."
    Hey! Someone actually engaging in a back and forth conversation. Lovely!

    Thanks for the link. Had never heard of the book, but glad to see it's not entirely an unheard of concept (though still seemingly significantly less historical usage than "everything I touch turns to ****"). It makes sense as a means of aging down the King Midas story a bit to a kid level.

    Though again, given the context of the cartoon, the historical narrative behind the use of the idea of "everything I touch turns to ****" and the narrative behind this "chocolate touch", I think it's a large stretch to suggest the Cartoon was actually suggesting Obama's power was initially, or ever, the ability to turn things into chocolate as opposed to the ability to turn things into something bad.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Some time ago this cartoon appeared with a George Will column. Is this cartoon racist?

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    How could it be?

    Is chocolate a race now?

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I guess it depends on the cartoonist's intention. Did he mean it as just a joke or is there any deeper meaning. I'm not really familiar with the guy so I can't really say but I do know white chocolate sucks. Just way too sweet, I prefer milk chocolate.
    I took it to mean the things Obama touches turn to crap and not chocolate. What is racist about that?

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    There is an old joke that says if black is beautiful that my feces is a masterpiece.

    The cartoon can be viewed as racist because it subtly plays on the notions of Obama's skin color, chocolate and feces.
    Where did you see anywhere in the cartoon any reference to Obama's skin color?

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    How is it possible 1010 people voted yes in the poll but only one poster thinks it is racist?

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    How is it possible 1010 people voted yes in the poll but only one poster thinks it is racist?
    If you log out, you can vote as many times as you like. Looks like someone didn't like the direction his poll question was taking.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Hey! Someone actually engaging in a back and forth conversation. Lovely!

    Thanks for the link. Had never heard of the book, but glad to see it's not entirely an unheard of concept (though still seemingly significantly less historical usage than "everything I touch turns to ****"). It makes sense as a means of aging down the King Midas story a bit to a kid level.

    Though again, given the context of the cartoon, the historical narrative behind the use of the idea of "everything I touch turns to ****" and the narrative behind this "chocolate touch", I think it's a large stretch to suggest the Cartoon was actually suggesting Obama's power was initially, or ever, the ability to turn things into chocolate as opposed to the ability to turn things into something bad.
    Lol You said give a example.


    My googling though didnt turn up even one racial reference to the term "chocolate touch". So I googled "**** touch"

    And found these:


    Racial reference to chocolate was by majority a positive relationship to skin tone. It seems to be right up there with ivory used in reference to skin tone. In fact the words chocolate and ivory are commonly used by the womens make up industry. But in relation to this cartoon the only implication to tones is the assumption that **** and chocolate can be the same color. Clearly the caricature of Obama is a different color than the objects, indicating that the artist asserted that Obama isnt the same color as the objects. Therefor any assumption of racism is done by bias since the artwork defies such connections to racism.


    I agree that there never was a assumption that Obama turns anything into chocolate. It is as you say that whatever hes touches turns to ****. The specific policies that are labeled in the cartoon point to a decidedly Conservative bias to the cartoon. All of which are political in nature and not racist.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And that's where I do not agree. I can't not possibly see how someone can claim it IS racist. Mildsteel is making an affirmative, definitive statement about something without any factual evidence to his statement.

    The POTENTIAL for it to be racist does not inherently make it racist.

    The statement "The pot calling the kettle black" is not inherently racist. It has the POTENTIAL to be stated in a racist fashion, but it would only be so with substantial surrounding context indicating it is. In and of itself, the statement is not inherently racist as it has a clear and direct meaning that has nothing to do with race. It is ONLY by adding additional assumptions and context that one could try and claim it's racist.

    That particular cartoon, inherently sans any additional content, can not reasonably be stated as being racist. It has the POTENTIAL to be, at best. Sans additional context, the clear and direct meaning of that cartoon is plainly obvious and clear. It is only through additional assumptions and intent, done without ANY factual evidence suggesting they are present, that one could possibly claim that the cartoon is racist. That suggests then that the cartoon itself is not inherently racist, but rather in such a case that the individual creating it is and his intent behind the cartoon is.

    It is impossible to claim that the cartoon is inherently "racist" WITHOUT piling additional assumptions on top of it, assumptions that at this point are completely baseless and unsupported by any actual connecting facts as it relates to this specific cartoon
    To be fair MidSteel is saying it is racist if you think a certain way or if you assume certain things about the intent of the author, not that on it's face it is racist. Anything can be racist if you twist it enough and I think that is what MidSteel is seeing here.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    If you log out, you can vote as many times as you like. Looks like someone didn't like the direction his poll question was taking.
    Wow, that seems like an awful lot of work for a meaningless thread.

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