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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    A Black man having the "chocolate touch"? The racial implications are obvious. But, it's not racist.
    He has the "chocolate touch" because chocolate can look like ****. The only race connection being made is being made by race-baiting liberals, the rest of us (including the non-race-baiting liberals) understand that this is about chocolate looking like ****, not about Pres. Obama looking like chocolate.
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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    He has the "chocolate touch" because chocolate can look like ****. The only race connection being made is being made by race-baiting liberals, the rest of us (including the non-race-baiting liberals) understand that this is about chocolate looking like ****, not about Pres. Obama looking like chocolate.
    I agree with that concept of the artwork--hence, I consider it not to be racist--but I do not agree with the argument that only the "race-baiters" would see it differently.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No one's really used the term "chocolate touch" before.

    That's the point.

    The comic isn't actually depicting Obama having the "chocolate touch", it depicts that everything he touches turns to ****. A slang notion that is hardly unheard of and hardly restricted or even associated with black people.

    For example, from the Soprano's:



    Or the UK show "Skins", with image and quote highlighted here



    Since other's have been using "urban dictionary" as some kind of source, look here:



    The suggestion isn't that he has the "Chocolate touch", it's that essentially he has the reverse midus touch as Tony Soprano's calls it...everything he touches turn to ****.

    And what has a substantial history in comedy for being either mistaken for ****, or for **** being mistaken for?

    Chocolate.







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    Which is the clear point of the cartoon. Obama is trying to put a positive spin on what he's done by suggesting it's a GOOD thing (thinking it's "chocolate") when in reality it's a bad thing ("****"). Not just that he's trying to put a good spin on it, but rather that he's completely oblivious to the fact that it's NOT a good thing but rather a bad one.

    There absolutely is a long standing notion of "Everything [x person] touches turns to ****", there's absolutely a long standing notion of people mistaking chocolate for **** and vise versa in comedy, and there's absolutely context within the actual cartoon to suggest that the above is exactly what is going on. The obama character directly acknowledges he's turning things into something else by "touching" them, he's clearly mistaking it for chocolate while the others view it correctly as **** (I guess theoretically you could suggest they're the wrong ones in the cartoon and he's the one that's correct. In either case, it's clear there's confusion over what it is because chocolate/poo is easily "confused" in comedy).
    Thanks for one of the longest explanations I have seen to something pretty obvious, no offense.

    Yeah, I get the joke. Got it right away. Still, a black man with a chocolate touch (something black) that then turns to **** (something blackish) wreaks of veiled racism to me... The joke could have been made with anything really and when the guy sniffs whatever that was and says, "that doesn't smell like vanilla/jasmine/whatever to me" it would have the same effect.

    Chocolate is a term associated with blacks people too. For example:

    Chocolate News - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The only thing that would have made it completely racist is if the guy used "dark molasses" instead of chocolate.
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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No one's really used the term "chocolate touch" before.

    That's the point.

    The comic isn't actually depicting Obama having the "chocolate touch", it depicts that everything he touches turns to ****. A slang notion that is hardly unheard of and hardly restricted or even associated with black people.

    For example, from the Soprano's:



    Or the UK show "Skins", with image and quote highlighted here



    Since other's have been using "urban dictionary" as some kind of source, look here:



    The suggestion isn't that he has the "Chocolate touch", it's that essentially he has the reverse midus touch as Tony Soprano's calls it...everything he touches turn to ****.

    And what has a substantial history in comedy for being either mistaken for ****, or for **** being mistaken for?

    Chocolate.







    Another video (Because I can only insert 3)

    And one more link since I'm at max videos

    Which is the clear point of the cartoon. Obama is trying to put a positive spin on what he's done by suggesting it's a GOOD thing (thinking it's "chocolate") when in reality it's a bad thing ("****"). Not just that he's trying to put a good spin on it, but rather that he's completely oblivious to the fact that it's NOT a good thing but rather a bad one.

    There absolutely is a long standing notion of "Everything [x person] touches turns to ****", there's absolutely a long standing notion of people mistaking chocolate for **** and vise versa in comedy, and there's absolutely context within the actual cartoon to suggest that the above is exactly what is going on. The obama character directly acknowledges he's turning things into something else by "touching" them, he's clearly mistaking it for chocolate while the others view it correctly as **** (I guess theoretically you could suggest they're the wrong ones in the cartoon and he's the one that's correct. In either case, it's clear there's confusion over what it is because chocolate/poo is easily "confused" in comedy).
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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    It could be of the subtle associations of Obama, chocolate a feces.
    Or it could be the fact that I really, really hate almost all political cartoons because they are mean-spirited, partisan and reek of hatefulness.

    I also despised political cartoons aimed at George W. Bush for the same reason, even though I personally had nothing but contempt for the man.

    Bottom line: The cartoon in your OP is not racist because a black man and chocolate are referenced, any more than a very white Penelope Garcia calling a very black Dexter Morgan, "hot chocolate" on Criminal Minds is racist. It's just a vile, partisan hack job, like nearly every other political cartoon out there.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Or it could be the fact that I really, really hate almost all political cartoons because they are mean-spirited, partisan and reek of hatefulness.

    I also despised political cartoons aimed at George W. Bush for the same reason, even though I personally had nothing but contempt for the man.

    Bottom line: The cartoon in your OP is not racist because a black man and chocolate are referenced, any more than a very white Penelope Garcia calling a very black Dexter Morgan, "hot chocolate" on Criminal Minds is racist. It's just a vile, partisan hack job, like nearly every other political cartoon out there.
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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well you would know better than me.
    Huh? What does that even mean?

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Huh? What does that even mean?
    It means that you would know if you felt it was racist to you better than I would. I didn't mean anything by that. Forgive me if I have done something to offend you.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    It means that you would know if you felt it was racist to you better than I would. I didn't mean anything by that. Forgive me if I have done something to offend you.
    I'm not at all offended; I was just confused by the wording. It's all good.

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