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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    That's why I voted "no", not racist. But, seeing it as racist is not that much of a stretch. Depicting a black person with a "chocolate touch" is right on the line, IMO. It definitely implies race, that's almost indisputable. But I don't think it's racist.
    It doesn't even imply race. It implies something looks like chocolate, but is really ****. No, that's not correct, it doesn't imply it, it clearly states it. You have to associate chocolate with being black in order for there to be a racist implication and that comes from YOU, not the artist.
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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I love good chocolate like Godiva.

    You question was more like a statement the way Bill Clinton was leading Bettie Currie with questions.
    I don't care much for the texture of Godiva but the taste is really good. The best chocolate I've ever had that wasn't made fresh in front of me is Teuscher, which is Swiss. You can buy it here in the states. I highly recommend it. Heaven!
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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I sense some veiled racism there... who ever heard of a person with a chocolate touch? The golden touch? Yes. The Chocolate touch? No, and then to have it be from a black man?
    That is a valid point however, the past mayor of New Orleans referred to his city as the Chocolate City and he was black. Was he being racist?

    The Chocolate City speech is the nickname that some people have given to the Martin Luther King, Jr. Day speech by Ray Nagin, Mayor of New Orleans, Louisiana, on January 16, 2006. The speech concerned race politics in New Orleans several months after Hurricane Katrina destroyed much of the city. The reference is to the occurrence of the phrase chocolate city in Nagin's speech, which was one of several points in the speech which occasioned significant controversy.
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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I don't care much for the texture of Godiva but the taste is really good. The best chocolate I've ever had that wasn't made fresh in front of me is Teuscher, which is Swiss. You can buy it here in the states. I highly recommend it. Heaven!
    Thanks. I will try to remember to find some today.

    My favorite is also a Swiss brand called Rapunzel. Also, I had some Israeli chocolate that was good. I don't remember the name but it came in a red package with a cow on it.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    That is a valid point however, the past mayor of New Orleans referred to his city as the Chocolate City and he was black. Was he being racist?
    The chocolate reference usually isn't racist in my experience, although sometimes. The feces reference always is. In Nagin's case, it certainly wasn't racist.

    Speaking of Nagin, that's a good example of someone shooting themselves in the foot.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The chocolate reference usually isn't racist in my experience, although sometimes. The feces reference always is. In Nagin's case, it certainly wasn't racist.

    Speaking of Nagin, that's a good example of someone shooting themselves in the foot.
    Well, in regards to Nagin shooting himself in the foot, he aimed about 6 foot too low.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Well, in regards to Nagin shooting himself in the foot, he aimed about 6 foot too low.
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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    It doesn't even imply race. It implies something looks like chocolate, but is really ****. No, that's not correct, it doesn't imply it, it clearly states it. You have to associate chocolate with being black in order for there to be a racist implication and that comes from YOU, not the artist.


    The cartoon is named Midas Touch, the story involved turning things into gold by touch. Midas soon learned that turning everything into gold was bad. So if we go by the implied story of Midas it has zero to do with race. It comes back to assuming chocolate and **** represent a race. That is the assumption that the OP made that chocolate and **** equates a race. You would have to think that way to see racism in the cartoon. You would have to think racist thoughts to jump to that conclusion.

    It would be like assuming that since there are honky tonks and the racial slur of honky, that playing country music is racist. While in the right circumstance it could be, it isnt a given that it is. Context and personal bias dictates how such things are perceived on a individual basis. Without a bias that provides the context in this cartoon then it is just chocolate and **** (the lesson of Midas touch used as a political satire). Though one could say it was dumb to use chocolate and **** because of racists and people who would jump to conclusions.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The thing I like about you is that you call em like you see em. I'm the same way!
    My claim to fame around here. Just keeping it real. You have no idea how much agony that has caused me here. LOL!

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    It doesn't even imply race. It implies something looks like chocolate, but is really ****. No, that's not correct, it doesn't imply it, it clearly states it. You have to associate chocolate with being black in order for there to be a racist implication and that comes from YOU, not the artist.
    A Black man having the "chocolate touch"? The racial implications are obvious. But, it's not racist.

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