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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You've demonstrated no such thing.

    You've demonstrated that at some point in time people have used the word "chocolate" to refer to black people.

    You've demonstrated that at some point in time people have used the word "****" in reference to black people.

    What you haven't demonstrated, what so ever, is how this cartoon in any way, shape, or form gives ANY contextual evidence that it's usage of "chocolate" or reference to "****" is in any way related to those instances.
    Wrong. I did indeed demonstrate that it is related. The cartoon creator has intentionally chosen chocolate and has made a direct connection between chocolate and feces. Obama is colored brown like chocolate, the papers representing his policies have been colored brown like chocolate. Therefore it is reasonable to conclude that the cartoonist intentionally meant to associate both Obama and his policies with feces. And because I have indeed demonstrated that feces has been used to refer to blacks because of their skin color, the racist association was indeed demonstrated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    There's no indication what so ever in the cartoon suggesting that those particular policies are "black" policies. There's no indication what so ever in the cartoon that those polices are made of the same thing as Barack Obama or that they are a part of him (indeed, even the color used to shade the various items in the room is a distinctly different hue than the President).
    Wrong. Although the hue is different, it is barely differenct and therefore the association of the policy, feces, and Obama can be made.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    There's absolutely no indication what so ever in the cartoon suggesting that Obama's race plays ANY role what so ever.

    Nothing. You've not "demonstrated" anything as relating to that. You've demonstrated that other people have used those words in racist ways before, but that is not the same as demonstrating any evidence that they're being used in that fashion in this cartoon.

    You're making ASSUMPTIONS. You are GUESSING. And you are guessing in a completely baseless fashion, as you've not been able to point to or articulate a single thing within the cartoon that gives ANY indication what so ever that race has anything to do with it. Nothing.
    Because reality is so complicated the mind is constantly making certain assumptions. Over and above that, if we had to rely strictly on direct evidence we would be extremely limited in our activities and knowledge of the world. As an example, you have no direct evidence that I am black. You have not seen me in person, neither do you have any pictures of me, and neither do you know anyone that knows me. All you can do is make certain assumptions and try to come to a reasonable conclusion that I am black. As such, to say that I have made assumptions is meaningless because any knowledge that is obtained through the human mind is based on assumptions. Of course I have assumed that because the cartoon creator has made an association between chocolate, feces and Obama that he has a racist intent. However that claim is not baseless as you have claimed. It is based on the facts that there is common reference to blacks with feces and chocolate. And because the cartoon creator has used both in the cartoon, along with color to make the association, my claim does indeed have merit. Therefore your assertion that the claim is baseless is bogus.

    Furthermore even you have conceded that a person could conclude that they MIGHT be racist. If that is the case, then one should not DEFINITELY conclude that they are not racist either.

    The thing is this, the human mind makes assumptions based on past experience. As a black male that grew up in a very racist area of the U.S., and area that to this day is a KKK stronghold, my experience led me to conclude that the cartoon is racist. Your background may lead you to conclude otherwise. However, you and others here are wrong to strongly assert that my perception is baseless when I have not said the same about your position. I would put forward that such narrow mindedness and lack of respect are why we continue to have problems with race in this country.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    I'm late to the party, as usual. No, the cartoon itself isn't racist... but despite my personal displeasure with Obama's presidential performance, I found myself, well, uncomfortable and offended by it.

    Can't say why. It wasn't a rational reaction; more of a visceral one.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Considering everything in life is racial for better or worse and that reality can't be done away with, yes. Do I care? No. Race is a reality.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Seems pathetic to spend so much effort to vote anonymously a 1000 times. Someone has way to much time on their hands.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I sense some veiled racism there... who ever heard of a person with a chocolate touch? The golden touch? Yes. The Chocolate touch? No, and then to have it be from a black man?
    No one's really used the term "chocolate touch" before.

    That's the point.

    The comic isn't actually depicting Obama having the "chocolate touch", it depicts that everything he touches turns to ****. A slang notion that is hardly unheard of and hardly restricted or even associated with black people.

    For example, from the Soprano's:

    Anthony 'Tony' Soprano Sr.: I'm like King Midas in reverse. Everything I touch turns to ****.
    Or the UK show "Skins", with image and quote highlighted here



    Since other's have been using "urban dictionary" as some kind of source, look here:

    Everything i touch turns to ****!:

    A feeling of things not going your way. When you screw things up.
    The suggestion isn't that he has the "Chocolate touch", it's that essentially he has the reverse midus touch as Tony Soprano's calls it...everything he touches turn to ****.

    And what has a substantial history in comedy for being either mistaken for ****, or for **** being mistaken for?

    Chocolate.







    Another video (Because I can only insert 3)

    And one more link since I'm at max videos

    Which is the clear point of the cartoon. Obama is trying to put a positive spin on what he's done by suggesting it's a GOOD thing (thinking it's "chocolate") when in reality it's a bad thing ("****"). Not just that he's trying to put a good spin on it, but rather that he's completely oblivious to the fact that it's NOT a good thing but rather a bad one.

    There absolutely is a long standing notion of "Everything [x person] touches turns to ****", there's absolutely a long standing notion of people mistaking chocolate for **** and vise versa in comedy, and there's absolutely context within the actual cartoon to suggest that the above is exactly what is going on. The obama character directly acknowledges he's turning things into something else by "touching" them, he's clearly mistaking it for chocolate while the others view it correctly as **** (I guess theoretically you could suggest they're the wrong ones in the cartoon and he's the one that's correct. In either case, it's clear there's confusion over what it is because chocolate/poo is easily "confused" in comedy).

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Chocolate, though not a common racist term, is often associated with black people.

    Urban Dictionary: chocolate face
    Sorry, but that like saying that anything brown gets associated with black people. It's a connection that REQUIRES racism to make. When I see chocolate, I don't think of black people, the same goes for anything brown...
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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Seems pathetic to spend so much effort to vote anonymously a 1000 times. Someone has way to much time on their hands.
    It's a hack, somehow.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It's a hack, somehow.
    Still pathetic.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Still pathetic.
    Won't argue otherwise.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I'm late to the party, as usual. No, the cartoon itself isn't racist... but despite my personal displeasure with Obama's presidential performance, I found myself, well, uncomfortable and offended by it.

    Can't say why. It wasn't a rational reaction; more of a visceral one.
    It could be of the subtle associations of Obama, chocolate a feces.

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