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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Thanks! I'll keep that in mind.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    ????????????

    How did 1005 people vote on this poll?

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Okay, let's try this again.

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    You used the word inherently here. The thing is this, the word nigger is not inherently racist, as anyone can be a nigger. However, because of it's contextual usage in the U.S. and elsewhere, if a cartoonist made reference to Obama with the word nigger, it would generally be considered racist, despite the fact that there is nothing inherently racist about the term.
    If one is shown the word "nigger", without any other context, it's absolutely reasonable to suggest it's racist. The word's meaning is one that's inherently racist. The word's creation was one of pure racism. It's primary usage in this country's history has been racist in nature. Its only non-racist typical usage, in anything other than using it to simply reference the word, is as a slang term used primarily by a subset of black people.

    Sans any other context, looking at the word and asking "is it racist", it's reasonable to say "yes".

    Does that mean it can't be used in a non-racist manner? No. It has the potential to be used in a non-racial fashion, just as that cartoon could potentially be feasibly used in a racist fashion, but in both cases it would need additional context to make it so.

    A cartoon indicating that Obama is said word, save for probably a few specific exceptions, would be reasonable to call racist as there would be few clear ways of taking the cartoon...sans any additional context...that wasn't racist in nature.

    It is a fact that there is quite of bit of contextual usage of feces to refer to the skin of blacks in a derogatory fashion. Here's a reference for you in case you need one:
    There is also FAR more examples of contextual usage of feces to refer to BAD THINGS. From "that's ****ty", to "it's gone to ****", to "they **** on" something, and more...it's routinely and FAR more regularly used as a reference to something bad.

    And considering in this cartoon, with the little bit of context we were given (it was put on a conservatives site), is referring to policies that conservatives generally find "bad" there's contextual reasoning in the cartoon to suggest that the reference to "****" is to refer to those things as bad. There is no contextual basis within the article to suggest that those things are being called "black", or that Barack Obama is being referenced as "****", or that they're bad and thus **** because he's black.

    To use your faulty logic...that making giant assumptive leaps sans any significant contextual evidence supporting them, despite a far more compelling and simple explanation clearly there, to declare something is racist is okay as long as you can pull things from the situation/item that have been tied in some way shape or form to racism in the past....then it must also be clear to you that this is racist:



    This is a Hersey's Chocolate Bar.

    As you've stated, at times "Chocolate" is used to refer to black people.

    As you'll also likely know, racists have long used statistics regarding the amount of blacks in prison as a means of attacking black people.

    People in prisons are kept behind what? Bars. And what's the layout of the Hershey Bars resemble? Prison bars.

    Using the logic you put forward in order to declare that this comic IS (not may) be racist, it is clear then that Hershey's Chocolate Bars are racist as it's association black people with prison.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    as I have demonstrated, there is good reason to say that it is racist.
    You've demonstrated no such thing.

    You've demonstrated that at some point in time people have used the word "chocolate" to refer to black people.

    You've demonstrated that at some point in time people have used the word "****" in reference to black people.

    What you haven't demonstrated, what so ever, is how this cartoon in any way, shape, or form gives ANY contextual evidence that it's usage of "chocolate" or reference to "****" is in any way related to those instances.

    There's no indication what so ever in the cartoon suggesting that those particular policies are "black" policies. There's no indication what so ever in the cartoon that those polices are made of the same thing as Barack Obama or that they are a part of him (indeed, even the color used to shade the various items in the room is a distinctly different hue than the President). There's absolutely no indication what so ever in the cartoon suggesting that Obama's race plays ANY role what so ever.

    Nothing. You've not "demonstrated" anything as relating to that. You've demonstrated that other people have used those words in racist ways before, but that is not the same as demonstrating any evidence that they're being used in that fashion in this cartoon.

    You're making ASSUMPTIONS. You are GUESSING. And you are guessing in a completely baseless fashion, as you've not been able to point to or articulate a single thing within the cartoon that gives ANY indication what so ever that race has anything to do with it. Nothing. You've not provided a single shred of logic that indicates how it's racist.

    The only thing you've done is say Obama is in the picture....and that other people have used chocolate and **** as means of describing black people....and somehow you think that alone somehow "demonstrates" that it's racist. That's not logic. That's not reasonable. That's not something anyone should simply "accept".

    I have no problem with people acknowledging that some people attempt to be racist in sublte ways; but to make such a suggestion in an actual absolute, as you do by saying this IS racist, requires one to actually have some kind of legitimate basis for making the case other than the fact that it's just feasible that it might be the case.

    I have no problem with something saying they think it might be racist, or that it could be racist, or that they wouldn't be surprised if it was meant in a racist fashion. I'd disagree with them and question their argument for why they think that, but based on what you HAVE actually demonstrated there's enough there to at least think there's a possability, however minute, that the artists intent and message was to attempt to as subtly as possible be racist. But to declare it in such an affirmative manner, without any actual additional context from outside of the picture or without being able to highlight any actual legitimate context within the picture suggesting such a connection, is laughably absurd.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    ????????????

    How did 1005 people vote on this poll?
    Lots of people love chocolate?

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    I think the cartoon can be considered tacky, distasteful and rude. But racist? Not in the least.

    I am blown away that 97+% of you people think it's racist.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    That's a reach.
    Really??? Maybe it's just me, but the idea that that cartoon was racist would have never even crossed my mind. I would have never made ANY connection between chocolate and being black. But the OP made that connection with ease from what I could see. There's something ingrained in some people's minds that makes those kind of associations and it called "racism".
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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Really??? Maybe it's just me, but the idea that that cartoon was racist would have never even crossed my mind. I would have never made ANY connection between chocolate and being black. But the OP made that connection with ease from what I could see. There's something ingrained in some people's minds that makes those kind of associations and it called "racism".
    Chocolate, though not a common racist term, is often associated with black people.

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    Re: Is this cartoon racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    ????????????

    How did 1005 people vote on this poll?
    Only 42 members did.

    3 for yes and 39 for no.

    Someone has been stuffing the yes box.
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