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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Honestly I understand that the U.S. needs to be involved in Ukraine. Furthermore, I really don't have a problem with us making a play to bring them over to our side. My problem is the way we went about it. That stuff of helping to facilitate the demise of a democratically elected government, right of Russia's border in direct defiance of Russia in the name of maintaining our status as the world's sole superpower was way overboard. Therefore I say, that it would be better to tolerate a multi-polar world than to risk a conflict that has the possibility of going nuclear.
    My criticism hasn't been that the US was courting Ukraine in an attempt to pull them into western influence, all along, Russia was doing the same. My problem begins when Ukraine moves the direction that the US was attempting to block, and the subsequent US/EU response which has given a measure of credibility to Putins action.
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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleming View Post
    There is zero risk of this conflict going nuclear.
    You say that, but I am not so sure. Conflicts, particularly when they have reached the stage of violent confrontation tend to take a life of their own. That said, I do agree that at the present moment the risk is low, but I disagree that it is zero. Even if there were no conflict, the mere presence of the weapons makes it such that there is a chance of such a conflict taking place. You cannot say that the chance is zero.

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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    You say that, but I am not so sure. Conflicts, particularly when they have reached the stage of violent confrontation tend to take a life of their own. That said, I do agree that at the present moment the risk is low, but I disagree that it is zero. Even if there were no conflict, the mere presence of the weapons makes it such that there is a chance of such a conflict taking place. You cannot say that the chance is zero.
    This is a conflict in which only one side (Russia) has nuclear weapons. The US and its allies Will never go to war with Russia over Ukraine.

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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Therefore I say, that it would be better to tolerate a multi-polar world than to risk a conflict that has the possibility of going nuclear.
    Utter paranoia. Neither Mr. Putin nor Mr. Obama considers Ukraine to be worth mutual nuclear annihilation.


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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Utter paranoia. Neither Mr. Putin nor Mr. Obama considers Ukraine to be worth mutual nuclear annihilation.
    Indeed, which is why Merkel is Right to say that there is no way Ukraine can win this militarily.

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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleming View Post
    Indeed, which is why Merkel is Right to say that there is no way Ukraine can win this militarily.
    Technically Merkel is correct. Assuming this is so, is Merkel willing to up the ante if Putin remains inflexible at Minsk?

    Would she consider/support a SWIFT ban?


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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Technically Merkel is correct. Assuming this is so, is Merkel willing to up the ante if Putin remains inflexible at Minsk?

    Would she consider/support a SWIFT ban?
    Let's see if the regime in Kiev is ready to be flexible and realistic. So far there is little sign of that.

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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleming View Post
    Let's see if the regime in Kiev is ready to be flexible and realistic.
    Ahh. The "regime" cliche. Tipped your hand.

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    So far there is little sign of that.
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    The Ukrainian parliament has approved laws on special status for the Donetsk and Lugansk Regions, as well as amnesty for those participating in the hostilities. The law on the special status of Lugansk and Donetsk Regions guarantees the right to use and study Russian or any other language in Ukraine. It also states that local elections are to take place in the regions on December 7. The head of the self-proclaimed Lugansk People’s Republic, Igor Plotnitsky, earlier welcomed the law on special status for Ukraine’s eastern regions proposed by President Poroshenko.

    “The law on the special status of Donbass generally reflects the priorities we voiced at the September 1 negotiations. That’s why, even though a lot remains unclear, we may say that a peaceful solution has received its first chance of being implemented,” Plotnitsky told RIA Novosti.
    BTW, you never enlightened us Fleming. What have the rebels offered in the realm of flexibility?


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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Ahh. The "regime" cliche. Tipped your hand.


    I disagree...

    Special status to E. Ukraine regions, amnesty to combatants



    BTW, you never enlightened us Fleming. What have the rebels offered in the realm of flexibility?
    Unlike you I don't feel the need to see everything in black and white. Apparently this is very disturbing to you.

    As for the rebels in eastern Ukraine, so far they have not shown any sign of being responsible, let alone flexible or reasonable.
    Do you deny that the current government in Kiev has on numerous occasions declared that they want to crush the rebels militarily?

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