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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
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    Here ya go



    Like I said foreign policy based on exaggerated threat and irrational fear.
    I find it amazing that over 8% of voters have voted for Nuclear War. I bet they'd try
    to be first in line at the German Crematoriums. Me first! Me First! The krispy critter
    campaign format.

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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I find it amazing that over 8% of voters have voted for Nuclear War. I bet they'd try
    to be first in line at the German Crematoriums. Me first! Me First! The krispy critter
    campaign format.
    Well if you believed Hillary Clinton's BS propaganda that Putin is Hitler then you might vote that way.

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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    And talk about exaggerated threat and irrational fear, here's a gem:

    The Obama Administration should advise Russia to distance itself from the likes of Hugo Chavez
    Dang!!! Hugo Chavez. Well I guess saying that the government should spend money to educate and feed poor people is a threat to that paradigm that says give the rich all the money and let them trickle it back down.

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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    What a stupid question!

    "Hey! Who here wants to see mankind wiped from the face of earth?!"

    I doubt this forum has any ISIS members.
    True .. I too doubt if we have any ISIS members .. a shame in a way ..quite the compliment if we did ..Even ISIS seeks out knowledge ...BUT , I am certain that we have "unwitting" ISIS sympathizers . A sample .. 8 who would favor nuclear war ..

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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    So let's see what we have

    Germany, France, and Italy do not want to sacrifice their close economic relations with Russia for Ukrainian security and the nation’s full European integration. Western European countries’ de facto veto of Ukraine’s EU and NATO membership and lukewarm response to Russia’s heavy handedness in the 2008 Georgian War also reflect a lack of European resolve.

    Furthermore, Yanukovych has repeatedly declared that Ukraine should stay politically neutral and may be unlikely to bring Ukraine into NATO. With 51 percent of Ukrainians viewing NATO unfavorably, the country’s path to NATO membership is unclear.

    The presence of the Russian Black Sea Fleet at a naval base in Sevastopol (in the Crimea, which has been Ukrainian territory since 1954) until 2017 also impedes Ukraine’s accession to NATO. There is no precedent for a NATO member hosting a non-NATO member military base.
    This from the Secretary of State of the United States

    “There is a move to re-Sovietise the region,” the US secretary of state told a news conference in Dublin hours before going into a meeting with her Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov.

    “It’s not going to be called that. It’s going to be called a customs union, it will be called Eurasian Union and all of that,” she said, referring to various iterations of a Moscow-backed plan to deepen economic ties with its neighbours.

    “But let's make no mistake about it. We know what the goal is and we are trying to figure out effective ways to slow down or prevent it.
    Then this from the Assistant Secretary of State

    Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?-nuland-pyatt-ukraine-neo-nazis-jpg

    This from the Assistant Secretary of State

    I think Yats is the guy who's got the economic experience, the governing experience.
    .....
    He's now gotten both Serry and [UN Secretary General] Ban Ki-moon to agree that Serry could come in Monday or Tuesday. So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and to have the UN help glue it and, you know, **** the EU.
    Here's the Assistant Secretary of State with good old "Yats" BEFORE he was prime minister.

    Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?-victoria_nuland-ukraine_with_neo_nazi_svoboda_leader_oleh_tyahnybok-jpg

    And this from the Assistant Secretary of State of the United States

    Since the declaration of Ukrainian independence in 1991, the United States supported the Ukrainians in the development of democratic institutions and skills in promoting civil society and a good form of government - all that is necessary to achieve the objectives of Ukraine’s European. We have invested more than 5 billion dollars to help Ukraine to achieve these and other goals.
    The result? Now there is a brutal civil war in Ukraine. Mikhail Gorbachev said this

    Mikhail Gorbachev, the former Soviet leader, has warned that the world is at risk of a “nuclear war” because of the tensions between Russia and the West over Ukraine.

    In an interview with the German magazine Spiegel, Mr Gorbachev said that if either side lost its nerve in the current stand-off, it could lead to nuclear war, and spoke of his fears that the world “will not survive the next few years”.

    “I actually see all the signs of a new Cold War,” Mr Gorbachev said. “It could all blow up at any moment if we don’t take action. The loss of confidence is catastrophic. Moscow does not believe the West, and the West does not believe Moscow.”

    Asked if he thought the situation could lead to a war, Mr Gorbachev said: “Don’t even think of it. Such a war today would probably lead inevitably to nuclear war. But the statements and propaganda on both sides make me fear the worst. If anyone loses their nerve in this charged atmosphere, we will not survive the next few years.”

    Such a stark warning from the former Soviet leader who brought about the end of the Cold War will raise concerns.

    “I do not say such things lightly,” Mr Gorbachev said. “I am a man with a conscience. But that’s how it is. I’m really extremely worried.”

    The 83-year-old has spoken out about the current stand-off between Russia and the West before. Last year he used a speech in Berlin on the 25th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall to warn: “The world is on the brink of a new Cold War”.

    Mr Gorbachev has been critical of his successor, Vladimir Putin, accusing him in a recent book of overconfidence and believing himself to be “second only to God”.

    But he has laid the blame for the current crisis with the West, for encroaching on what Russia sees as its spehere of influence.

    “Nato’s eastward expansion has destroyed the European security order,” he told Spiegel. “A dangerous winning mentality has taken hold in America.”
    Crisis in Ukraine could trigger nuclear war, warns Gorbachev - Telegraph

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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Gorbachev, candidly admitting that there's propaganda on both sides, nice. Not that what he said is the least bit profound, it's just that I thought only Moscow was disseminating propaganda.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Gorbachev, candidly admitting that there's propaganda on both sides, nice. Not that what he said is the least bit profound, it's just that I thought only Moscow was disseminating propaganda.
    The problem is that these people were crazy enough to do something like go into Iraq on a wild goose chase for WMDs. They keep putting up these exaggerated threats. It's no telling where we might end up as a result.

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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The problem is that these people were crazy enough to do something like go into Iraq on a wild goose chase for WMDs. They keep putting up these exaggerated threats. It's no telling where we might end up as a result.
    Oh, I agree with that, I was just pointing out the freshness of the former statesman being willing to acknowledge that both sides have served up propaganda. Wouldn't it be nice if the patronising posters on this board do the same instead of playing that adolescent game they play. Oh, and lets hope there's a resolve to this, that things settle down and by way of compromise, on BOTH sides, everyone walks away with something and that Gorbachev's concerns don't materialise.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Seriously I'm saying that although some appear to be willing to risk a nuclear war to maintain U.S. hegemony in the world, it would be better to live in a multi-polar world than to have a nuclear war.

    It's not a joke and there is nothing funny about it.
    Our political philosophies are probably quite similar, Mild Steel . On the surface, without thought , the question is , IMO, silly/stupid ; but, in truth, NO question is "stupid" as the self-righteous seem to think. I feel that it is absolutely impossible for us to remain as the ONLY world power ..To have this POWER , its possible (short term), but then we would have to dominate ALL other nations .. subjugate and control ..neither economically nor psychologically feasible , IMO .. Others have tried this .. with limited success .. China for one ..
    As for a nuclear war "alternative" ..Even if we are the "winners" .. still a horrible thought ..we would actually be the losers .. Intelligent, sensible people know this .. Russians for one ..

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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh, I agree with that, I was just pointing out the freshness of the former statesman being willing to acknowledge that both sides have served up propaganda. Wouldn't it be nice if the patronising posters on this board do the same instead of playing that adolescent game they play. Oh, and lets hope there's a resolve to this, that things settle down and by way of compromise, on BOTH sides, everyone walks away with something and that Gorbachev's concerns don't materialise.
    Absolutely!

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