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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Although we do share power to an extent, the fact is that the U.S. has the preponderance of power in the world and is indeed the world's sole superpower. No other country on the face of the Earth can project power all over the globe in both the economic and military spheres. There is simply no competitor in that regard.
    I didn't say we share power equally. But America and other First World countries share power. Always have. We are indeed a superpower. However, China is fast approaching (and in fact owns a LOT of our country) and wields enormous power economically in the world, as well as politically. I think China has the largest military. India, Russia, and North Korea are approaching us in military size.

    It is arguable whether China or the U.S. wields more power in the world.
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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    I didn't say we share power equally. But America and other First World countries share power. Always have. We are indeed a superpower. However, China is fast approaching (and in fact owns a LOT of our country) and wields enormous power economically in the world, as well as politically. I think China has the largest military. India, Russia, and North Korea are approaching us in military size.

    It is arguable whether China or the U.S. wields more power in the world.
    I am sorry but that is ludicrous. China, Russia, India and North Korea come nowhere near approaching the US in politica' or military's power. You are confusing Numbers of soliders with military power.

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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleming View Post
    I am sorry but that is ludicrous. China, Russia, India and North Korea come nowhere near approaching the US in politica' or military's power. You are confusing Numbers of soliders with military power.
    I said "largest." Not "strongest." Back to school for you! Reading 101.

    Besides, ....yes, Virginia. The other countries are close in strength to the U.S.

    U.S. strength factor 0.2208
    Russia strength factor 0.2355
    China strength factor 0.2594
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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    I said "largest." Not "strongest." Back to school for you! Reading 101.
    Read your OWN post in which you are referring to power.

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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I think that you are dead wrong. A U.S. assault on Crimea would be a direct attack on the heart of Russian naval power.?
    That heart quit beating 25 years ago.

    The Russians are not going to go nuclear over a peninsula in the Black Sea.

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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Utter paranoia. Neither Mr. Putin nor Mr. Obama considers Ukraine to be worth mutual nuclear annihilation.
    Nevertheless, however serious the Russian/Ukrainian crisis is, as pointed out at the Council on Foreign Relations, its a crises of US/EU making.

    ccording to the prevailing wisdom in the West, the Ukraine crisis can be blamed almost entirely on Russian aggression. Russian President Vladimir Putin, the argument goes, annexed Crimea out of a long-standing desire to resuscitate the Soviet empire, and he may eventually go after the rest of Ukraine, as well as other countries in eastern Europe. In this view, the ouster of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych in February 2014 merely provided a pretext for Putin’s decision to order Russian forces to seize part of Ukraine.

    But this account is wrong: the United States and its European allies share most of the responsibility for the crisis. The taproot of the trouble is NATO enlargement, the central element of a larger strategy to move Ukraine out of Russia’s orbit and integrate it into the West. At the same time, the EU’s expansion eastward and the West’s backing of the pro-democracy movement in Ukraine -- beginning with the Orange Revolution in 2004 -- were critical elements, too. Since the mid-1990s, Russian leaders have adamantly opposed NATO enlargement, and in recent years, they have made it clear that they would not stand by while their strategically important neighbor turned into a Western bastion. For Putin, the illegal overthrow of Ukraine’s democratically elected and pro-Russian president -- which he rightly labeled a “coup” -- was the final straw. He responded by taking Crimea, a peninsula he feared would host a NATO naval base, and working to destabilize Ukraine until it abandoned its efforts to join the West.

    Putin’s pushback should have come as no surprise. After all, the West had been moving into Russia’s backyard and threatening its core strategic interests, a point Putin made emphatically and repeatedly. Elites in the United States and Europe have been blindsided by events only because they subscribe to a flawed view of international politics. They tend to believe that the logic of realism holds little relevance in the twenty-first century and that Europe can be kept whole and free on the basis of such liberal principles as the rule of law, economic interdependence, and democracy.

    But this grand scheme went awry in Ukraine. The crisis there shows that realpolitik remains relevant -- and states that ignore it do so at their own peril. U.S. and European leaders blundered in attempting to turn Ukraine into a Western stronghold on Russia’s border. Now that the consequences have been laid bare, it would be an even greater mistake to continue this misbegotten policy.

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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    That heart quit beating 25 years ago.

    The Russians are not going to go nuclear over a peninsula in the Black Sea.
    And the US is not going to attack Russia or in any way intervene militarily in the Ukranian conflict.

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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleming View Post
    Do you deny that the current government in Kiev has on numerous occasions declared that they want to crush the rebels militarily?
    Putin certainly didn't hold back in regards to Chechnya.


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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Putin certainly didn't hold back in regards to Chechnya.
    Very true. The only difference being that Putin was in a position to win that fight militarily, which the current government in Kiev isn't.

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    Re: Which is better, a multi polar world or a nuclear war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleming View Post
    And the US is not going to attack Russia or in any way intervene militarily in the Ukranian conflict.
    Might not have a choice.

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