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    American Royalty

    The dems appear all but certain to place Hillary Clinton on the presidential ticket. It's looking more likely every day that the Republicans will follow suit and place Jeb Bush on theirs.

    If that does happen as expected, then for the past quarter century our presidential order has been: Bush - Clinton - Bush - Obama - Bush OR Clinton.


    My question is.... does that bother you? It bothers me. Not as a Republican or Democrat, but just as an American. No matter who wins: Bush or Clinton.

    One of the defining things about America has always been the ideal that this is a meritocracy.... you attain high positions based on hard work, smarts, and determination. The whole "rags to riches" ideal, where any man or woman can rise from nothing to become something, I feel is under attack.

    If we choose, as a country, to go down the road of dynastic leadership, of familial rule, of royalty in all but title.... then don't we lose something that once made us who we are?

    Maybe it's only natural. After all, dynasties and royalty have been the norm in governments around the world for thousands of years. Maybe we are just gravitating back to our natural, base instincts as humans. But I hate to think that.

    Voice your opinion, please.

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    Re: American Royalty

    The fact that the candidates' names may once again be Bush and Clinton does not really bother me. If the public at large selects another Bush or Clinton then that's up to them. It's the positions of candidates that people vote for that bothers me way more than the last names of the candidates.
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    Re: American Royalty

    The Clintons are still only relevant because scandals (particularly the sex kind) or the rumors thereof have wiped out most of a good number of rising stars. Chuck Robb, John Edwards, Evan Bayh, various Kennedy's, Ron Brown was a rising star until he got sucked into Clinton stuff and then plastered against a mountaintop all come to mind.

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    Re: American Royalty

    Influence, connections, money... all forms of power. There is an elite that has an overabundance of one or more of these commodities. They are absolutely royalty, in all definitions of the words but for name only. One doesn't just need to be part of a political dynasty to be considered royalty. Buffet, Gates, Gore, Koch, Turner, Geffen, Ford.... all American royalty.
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    It isn't the names that bother me. It's what is happening to our country and our society, and the apparent lack of good sense among the general population. The fact that we keep putting in the equivalent of political rock stars, and that we are so easily suckered, while we just keep heading toward insolvency, bothers me.
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    Re: American Royalty

    It's not royalty, it's oligarchy.

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    Re: American Royalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    It's not royalty, it's oligarchy.
    What is the difference? Nobility is simply hereditary oligarchy, and there is nothing illegal nor even immoral about the hereditary bequeathing of power and wealth in our system. When you look at political dynasties, it's clear to see that Bush or a Clinton or a Paul or a Kennedy or a Romney has a much easier time striking right to the elite of the elite, the tip top of the tippy top. Politics has always been a family business, ever since we came down out of the trees. Before that, even, if I had to guess.
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    Re: American Royalty

    Apparently, all of these people are distantly related, too. Obama is like a distant cousin to Bush, and Clinton is related somehow to some other person, all from the 1600s, or something.


    In other words, a bunch of good ol boys from the good ol days are running things.
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    Re: American Royalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The dems appear all but certain to place Hillary Clinton on the presidential ticket. It's looking more likely every day that the Republicans will follow suit and place Jeb Bush on theirs.

    If that does happen as expected, then for the past quarter century our presidential order has been: Bush - Clinton - Bush - Obama - Bush OR Clinton.


    My question is.... does that bother you? It bothers me. Not as a Republican or Democrat, but just as an American. No matter who wins: Bush or Clinton.

    One of the defining things about America has always been the ideal that this is a meritocracy.... you attain high positions based on hard work, smarts, and determination. The whole "rags to riches" ideal, where any man or woman can rise from nothing to become something, I feel is under attack.

    If we choose, as a country, to go down the road of dynastic leadership, of familial rule, of royalty in all but title.... then don't we lose something that once made us who we are?

    Maybe it's only natural. After all, dynasties and royalty have been the norm in governments around the world for thousands of years. Maybe we are just gravitating back to our natural, base instincts as humans. But I hate to think that.

    Voice your opinion, please.
    It bothers me. It's a fault with the system.

    That's why I really appreciate a guy like Obama- who really is about as self-made as anyone.
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    Re: American Royalty

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    ...The fact that we keep putting in the equivalent of political rock stars, and that we are so easily suckered, while we just keep heading toward insolvency, bothers me.
    I'll tell you what, I agree with this part 100%. It's concerning, because it makes one question the sustainability of our style of government election.

    Even some of the founding fathers questioned the wisdom of allowing the masses to directly elect a president.

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