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Thread: Do campaign efforts (contributions or ads) from PACS affect how a politican votes?

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    Do campaign efforts (contributions or ads) from PACS affect how a politican votes?

    Here is the most rational study I've ever seen on the issue. The methodology is to look at the records of politicians before they announce retirement and after they announce retirement. This is important because after a politician announces retirement, the donations stop flowing and the "influence of the money" evaporates.

    So what do you think? Is there evidence that donations influence the way politicians vote?

    http://www.campaignfreedom.org/wp-co...-And-Votes.pdf
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    Re: Do campaign efforts (contributions or ads) from PACS affect how a politican votes

    This is an excellent piece, thank you for posting it.

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    Re: Do campaign efforts (contributions or ads) from PACS affect how a politican votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Here is the most rational study I've ever seen on the issue. The methodology is to look at the records of politicians before they announce retirement and after they announce retirement. This is important because after a politician announces retirement, the donations stop flowing and the "influence of the money" evaporates.

    So what do you think? Is there evidence that donations influence the way politicians vote?

    http://www.campaignfreedom.org/wp-co...-And-Votes.pdf
    Depends on the politician doesn't it?
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    Re: Do campaign efforts (contributions or ads) from PACS affect how a politican votes

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    This is an excellent piece, thank you for posting it.
    You're welcome. It's the most empirical study I've seen on the matter.
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    Re: Do campaign efforts (contributions or ads) from PACS affect how a politican votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Depends on the politician doesn't it?
    Does it? Read the study and see what they found.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Do campaign efforts (contributions or ads) from PACS affect how a politican votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Does it? Read the study and see what they found.
    Study does not address individuals. You might want to read it yourself.
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    Re: Do campaign efforts (contributions or ads) from PACS affect how a politican votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Study does not address individuals. You might want to read it yourself.
    No, it was discussing "politicians" just like you quoted. What's with the goal-post moving exercise here?

    But since you want to go there, how do "individuals" sign up to get paid for their vote?
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Do campaign efforts (contributions or ads) from PACS affect how a politican votes

    Just asked KY.Mitch McConnell,he know's better than most.He's made a living doing it.


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    Re: Do campaign efforts (contributions or ads) from PACS affect how a politican votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    No, it was discussing "politicians" just like you quoted. What's with the goal-post moving exercise here?

    But since you want to go there, how do "individuals" sign up to get paid for their vote?
    There are a couple of issues. The stud is decades old before recent Supreme Court rulings have led to an influx of dark money.
    Second of all, it's pretty broad. So, for example, how does the study account for the rider that "magically" appeared scaling back financial regulation on a bill that was to keep the government operating? The vote was to keep government funded but somehow attached to it was deregulation? Corporation/Labor etc are broad categories. There's a lot that goes into writing a bill and there are a lot of giveaways to corporations that are attached to bills that are for other purposes.
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    Re: Do campaign efforts (contributions or ads) from PACS affect how a politican votes

    So what do you think? Is there evidence that donations influence the way politicians vote?
    I "think" donations influence politician's votes.

    Thirty four pages, eh?
    I'm guessing there is no Cliff Notes version available.
    I'll try and muscle my way through this report today.
    I'll withhold my vote until then.
    No matter how cynical I become toward politicians, it's never enough.

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