View Poll Results: Do campaign donations influence politicians' votes?

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    4 2.19%
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Thread: Do campaign efforts (contributions or ads) from PACS affect how a politican votes?

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    Re: Do campaign efforts (contributions or ads) from PACS affect how a politican votes

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    You didn't read anything the article said, did you?? Let me give you the "Cliff's Notes" version:
    Basically there two possibilities in the money/votes scenario. One is that politicians react to the money and vote according to who's paying them. The other is that the people paying them are paying them because they vote according to what they support. The study compared the voting records of politicians before and after they announced their retirement (when campaign contributions dry up) and found little in the way of changes to how they voted. This shows that the money wasn't what was driving the votes, but the votes that were driving the money.
    It was an excellent study looking at the only evidence that actually matters. If campaign money bought votes, we would see politicians doing mass flip-flopping once they announced retirement. The fact that they don't is the clearest possible evidence that it wasn't the campaign dollars that influenced their votes in the first place, but rather, as you and the study so clearly pointed out (and what actually makes the most sense) is that people support the politicians that side with them on the issues that are important to them.
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    Re: Do campaign efforts (contributions or ads) from PACS affect how a politican votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is all you needed to say. My answer was the accurate answer.



    That is a claim few people make.



    Accuracy is always important. Nothing I said ever in any way was contradicted by your report. This is something you would have realized if you had read my posts and the report.
    I read your posts and the report and merely clarified that you are absolutely correct that SOME people will break the law and SOME of those people are politicians and just wanted to make sure we were all keeping "some" in perspective and not giving it weight it didn't deserve. You shouldn't have a problem with that since keeping it in perspective contributes to a clear and ACCURATE picture of the dynamics involved. We don't want to lead people to infer something misleading, do we?
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    Re: Do campaign efforts (contributions or ads) from PACS affect how a politican votes

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    The point is that lumping them all in together and treating them all like they are criminals is the wrong approach. We should be seeking out those who are selling their votes and giving them a retirement plan that includes steel cages, one hour of yard time a day and a job making license plates.
    Absolutely. We should prosecute, and heavily, and corruption in our public officials, and should not care about which party they belong to. And if you read my posting history, you will find that I have long advocated that if we treat our politicians like they are trash, with no expectations of privacy for them or their families, then we really cannot complain when only trash runs for office. I have long complained about the cynicism people view politics and politicians with(see the quote in my sig).
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    Re: Do campaign efforts (contributions or ads) from PACS affect how a politican votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Here is the most rational study I've ever seen on the issue. The methodology is to look at the records of politicians before they announce retirement and after they announce retirement. This is important because after a politician announces retirement, the donations stop flowing and the "influence of the money" evaporates.

    So what do you think? Is there evidence that donations influence the way politicians vote?

    http://www.campaignfreedom.org/wp-co...-And-Votes.pdf
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