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Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black Pres? [W:222]
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?
The OP's premise aside, this is a completely asinine statement.
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?
Thank you for your opinion. Obviously I disagree.
Thank you for your opinion. Obviously I disagree.
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/26611/So...Mormon-72YearOld-Presidential-Candidates.aspx
It's not even an opinion :shrug: Your statement is empirically incorrect. In addition to the fact that many talking heads have attributed Obama's rise to his ethnicity alone, nearly 1 in 10 of RNC primary voters indicated that they would not under any circumstance vote for a black President. Some of the anti colonialist rhetoric also has strong roots in his ethnic background.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/26611/So...Mormon-72YearOld-Presidential-Candidates.aspx
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?
Hmmm. Of course it's an opinion, and indeed, a fact, in my opinion. To suggest otherwise is asinine. (Forgive me for co-opting your insult)
My inclusion of the reference "Grand scheme of things" was to take into account there are small percentages of people who think as you have referenced.
However, for those who don't get the nuance, allow me to adjust the statement.
As a general rule of thumb, the majority of people who think about the color of his skin are those who use it to defend against criticism of a woefully inept President.
Thanks for allowing me to adjust my statement to a more accurate and easily understandable format.
Hmmm. Of course it's an opinion, and indeed, a fact, in my opinion. To suggest otherwise is asinine. (Forgive me for co-opting your insult)
My inclusion of the reference "Grand scheme of things" was to take into account there are small percentages of people who think as you have referenced.
However, for those who don't get the nuance, allow me to adjust the statement.
As a general rule of thumb, the majority of people who think about the color of his skin are those who use it to defend against criticism of a woefully inept President.
Thanks for allowing me to adjust my statement to a more accurate and easily understandable format.
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?
Yes, if McCain and Palin were running against him or her. You can't run that poor a campaign and win.
Yes, if McCain and Palin were running against him or her. You can't run that poor a campaign and win.
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?
No, that's just excuse making. :roll:
No, that's just excuse making. :roll:
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black Pres? [W:222
No, but it does show we're not ready for a committed leftist (European style socialist / Social democrat).
No, but it does show we're not ready for a committed leftist (European style socialist / Social democrat).
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?
Romney, yes.
Palin, I have to disagree. I think she'd be equally as bad as he is, just for different reasons.
Romney, yes.
Palin, I have to disagree. I think she'd be equally as bad as he is, just for different reasons.
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?
Because every racist knows Blacks play basketball better than whites and white men can't jump (or dance).
Because every racist knows Blacks play basketball better than whites and white men can't jump (or dance).
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?
I think you're buyong into the propaganda.
I think you're buyong into the propaganda.
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?
Hell no. I voted for McCain and Palin in 2008 and don't regret my vote at all and don't apologize for it. I really liked her.
My issue with her is the way she's handled herself since then. I think she would have been a good VP for McCain, and if doG forbid something happened to him, she would have been okay to step in to the role. She would have immediately gotten good coaches and good handlers. Left to her own devices after 2008, I think the pressure and fame just got to her. Some people get thrust into the limelight too quickly and aren't prepared, and i think that's the case with her. Plus the awful treatment she received left marks on her I think. That isn't her fault.
Hell no. I voted for McCain and Palin in 2008 and don't regret my vote at all and don't apologize for it. I really liked her.
My issue with her is the way she's handled herself since then. I think she would have been a good VP for McCain, and if doG forbid something happened to him, she would have been okay to step in to the role. She would have immediately gotten good coaches and good handlers. Left to her own devices after 2008, I think the pressure and fame just got to her. Some people get thrust into the limelight too quickly and aren't prepared, and i think that's the case with her. Plus the awful treatment she received left marks on her I think. That isn't her fault.
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?
We are going to have to agree to disagree on that one because I do not think that president Romney would have done better than a poorly performing Obama and Palin would have been a grand disaster if she had gotten to the position of president.
We are going to have to agree to disagree on that one because I do not think that president Romney would have done better than a poorly performing Obama and Palin would have been a grand disaster if she had gotten to the position of president.
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?
Unfortumately, you don't have any facts to base your opinion on.
Unfortumately, you don't have any facts to base your opinion on.
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?
The awful treatment definitely left some marks on her reputation. I don't know of any politician that received that much disgraceful attention. She's been hammered so hard, that even many Conservatives believe the propaganda. I think it boils down to one thing: the Libbos won't allow the Republicans to claim the first female VP/president in history.
The awful treatment definitely left some marks on her reputation. I don't know of any politician that received that much disgraceful attention. She's been hammered so hard, that even many Conservatives believe the propaganda. I think it boils down to one thing: the Libbos won't allow the Republicans to claim the first female VP/president in history.
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?
Thank goodness for that
Thank goodness for that
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?
Well, history is on your side. They tried to beat the GOP to the punch in 1984 with Ferraro. That failed (ouch - pretty badly actually). They managed to secure the first black President (Bill Clinton aside, of course). In a perfect world, I suspect they want the first woman whatever too.
Well, history is on your side. They tried to beat the GOP to the punch in 1984 with Ferraro. That failed (ouch - pretty badly actually). They managed to secure the first black President (Bill Clinton aside, of course). In a perfect world, I suspect they want the first woman whatever too.
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?
Good point
Good point
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?
They didn't get the first black president, since Obama is only half black. Look how they treated Herman Caine. The woman that accused Caine of adultry was an acquaintance of David Axlerod. Hell of a coincidence.
They didn't get the first black president, since Obama is only half black. Look how they treated Herman Caine. The woman that accused Caine of adultry was an acquaintance of David Axlerod. Hell of a coincidence.
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black Pres? [W:222
He's acted fairly similarly to George Bush, so if we aren't ready for Obama, we probably aren't ready for any of the Republocrat elite.
He's acted fairly similarly to George Bush, so if we aren't ready for Obama, we probably aren't ready for any of the Republocrat elite.
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black Pres? [W:222
It is similar. However he has shown a bit more reluctance to engage the U.S. militarily. As such, I give him a small bit of credit for bearing the resulting accusations of weakness well.
It is similar. However he has shown a bit more reluctance to engage the U.S. militarily. As such, I give him a small bit of credit for bearing the resulting accusations of weakness well.
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?
Not at all. When it comes to excuse making it would seem 9 out of 10 people see it is coming from people who share a similar need to try and deflect criticism of the President. With that level of consensus, what is there to debate?
Not at all. When it comes to excuse making it would seem 9 out of 10 people see it is coming from people who share a similar need to try and deflect criticism of the President. With that level of consensus, what is there to debate?
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?
IF you are referring to me, I feel no need to deflect correct criticism of the President or anyone else for that matter. I think your response is designed to deflect legitimate criticism that SOME of Obama's problems as President are the result of him being black, half black if you prefer.
IF you are referring to me, I feel no need to deflect correct criticism of the President or anyone else for that matter. I think your response is designed to deflect legitimate criticism that SOME of Obama's problems as President are the result of him being black, half black if you prefer.
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?
To refer to Obama as "conservative" in any way, one would have to be to the left of Stalin. Idiotic. :roll:
Get over it, disdain for Obama has nothing to do with race.
To refer to Obama as "conservative" in any way, one would have to be to the left of Stalin. Idiotic. :roll:
Get over it, disdain for Obama has nothing to do with race.
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?
Examples?
Examples?