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Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black Pres? [W:222]

Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Captain America said:
I'm pushing 60 and despite some things I disagree with Obama on, in my opinion, he is the best president I remember in my lifetime. At least my bank account thinks so. As well as the US enjoying more liberty today than it ever has.
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In what way has Obama increased our liberty?

So, knowing that, I can only ASSUME he is hated so badly by The President's Hater's Club, because of his skin color.
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Jesus Christ. Whats wrong with you? Seriously. Whats wrong with you? It isn't possible for someone to be so empty headed and simple minded to reach a conclusion like that, so how did you do it? Did people oppose and hate Clinton and Bush because they were black? Use your head, dude.
 
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Fletch said:
In what way has Obama increased our liberty?

Jesus Christ. Whats wrong with you? Seriously. Whats wrong with you? It isn't possible for someone to be so empty headed and simple minded to reach a conclusion like that, so how did you do it? Did people oppose and hate Clinton and Bush because they were black? Use your head, dude.
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Gnash, gnash, gnash! I absolutely LOVE it.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Boo Radley said:
When she suggested that people voted based on skin color, which is not merit.
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You honestly think people don't vote based upon skin color?? Let me guess, you think only racist whites vote AGAINST Obama because he is black, but high minded liberals don't vote for him because hes black.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Objective Voice said:
The reason I've quoted is the sub-plot you and others weave into the question at hand yet pretend the man's race has nothing to do with why you don't like him. Exhibit A:



While it true that people will vote for a candidate they find "likeable," they also vote for candidates they consider to be honest, trustworthy, credible, and "qualified" for the job. Now, per Art. II, sect. 1 of the U.S. Constitution, what are those qualifications:

a) Natural-born U.S. citizen

b) 35 yrs of age

c) 4 yr U.S. resident

That's it! Nothing more, nothing less. We tag on all the rest, i.e. "executive experience, foreign policy experience" mainly because historical experience for one elected to the highest office in the land has shown that the more such experience such a person has the better capable he (or she) is to lead the country on both a foreign and domestic front. This has more to do with the President being both an Ambassador for foreign trade agreements and acting as Commander-in-Chief to our military should (and when) the need arises. But nothing in the Constitution requires a person elected to the Presidency to have executive or foreign policy experience. It's nice - a BIG plus - if he/she does, but it's not a requirement.
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Yes, I get it....you voted for Obama. That was your right. You need to stop defending your vote to me. I don't care. I love that we're all free to vote for whomever we choose and don't need to justify it.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Captain America said:
Gnash, gnash, gnash! I absolutely LOVE it.
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So you were just trolling then. Sorry, I thought you were a serious poster. I wont make that mistake again.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

rocket88 said:
I didn't vote for him in '12 either, and I don't care for the duopoly. However there are those, who while claiming they aren't Republicans, will unfailing defend anyone who would have an (R) next to his name. Same goes for the other side. Heck, I get baited into exactly that sometimes. The fact is that some people don't like him simply because he's a Democrat, and will only miraculously change their view of him if he switches parties.
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What you say is true. There are uncompromising apologists and defenders on both sides. Such people are also sometimes called, "zealots."
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

And for the record, what this poll question is really trying to say is "the nation's first Black President made a mess of things and, as such, the nation should never elect another Black man to the White House".

I say BS!!!

Again, the man was elected TWICE, TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS!

He hasn't started another war.

The economy has rebounded.

Except for taxation under ObamaCare, nothing about your freedoms (of movement, of speech, of property or gun ownership, of wealth attainment) has been taken away!

So, I call foul of the very premise of the poll.

It's been often said that a Black man has to work twice as hard as a White man to achieve the same results. Damn, but White America (politicians) have made this man work for every victory he's achieved no matter how small.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Fletch said:
So you were just trolling then. Sorry, I thought you were a serious poster. I wont make that mistake again.
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I simply shared my opinion to wit you replied, and I quote,

Jesus Christ. Whats wrong with you? Seriously. Whats wrong with you? It isn't possible for someone to be so empty headed and simple minded to reach a conclusion like that, so how did you do it?
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In my book that makes you a troll. (Actually, I had another word in mind but I prefer to keep the high ground.)
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

tres borrachos said:
I made no such excuses nor am I debating about why the Republicans lost the last 2 elections - nor is anyone else. Have you stumbled into the wrong thread?

I was commenting on your incorrect claim that it was racist for jdubya to say that people voted for Obama only because he was black and it was an historic vote. The Republicans have nothing to do with what he posted, and they have nothing to do with what I posted. You're bringing them into this discussion, and you're dialoging with yourself about them.

And your claim that I ever said or hinted that a "black man couldn't win on merit" is a lie, as evidenced by the fact I've said repeatedly that this country is ready for a black President. Don't make up things that aren't true. Obama won because people bought into his rhetoric. Pay attention....this gets tiresome when you make these trolls posts.
Pay attention to the post you declared to be "racist" and read it again.
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Again, As there is no significant number who voted based on race, there is no need to argue it except to argue he won not on merit but race, and to mitigate republican candidate flaws. There is no other reason.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

VanceMack said:
You CHOOSE to come to one conclusion. Race. Because its the conclusion you want.
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Not at all. Considering that Obama has alienated a number of progressives and liberals by adopting Bush's conservative policies, the political right still hates him. The only reason I can see is race.....or a majority of the right has gone insane.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

rocket88 said:
I didn't vote for him in '12 either, and I don't care for the duopoly. However there are those, who while claiming they aren't Republicans, will unfailing defend anyone who would have an (R) next to his name. Same goes for the other side.

Heck, I get baited into exactly that sometimes. The fact is that some people don't like him simply because he's a Democrat, and will only miraculously change their view of him if he switches parties.
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I don't see that Obama could just switch parties and be accepted by people who only defend those with an "R" behind their names. Same as there are people who wouldn't support Ted Cruz if he all of a sudden had a "D" behind his name. I love Joe Manchin - and he's a "D". I can't stand Rick Santorum - and he was an "R". I voted for my state's "D" governor a few times - while I was casting votes on the same ballot for candidates with an "R" after their names.

Some of us don't like Obama for the same reason some people didn't like Bush 41 and Bush 43 and Reagan and Clinton and Carter and Ford and so on....because we don't like the policies. His color and his party affiliation are irrelevant.

I remember when the left adored Joe Lieberman...until he supported McCain.....then he wasn't election worthy anymore.

The left and the right are pretty dead even here, rocket.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Fletch said:
You honestly think people don't vote based upon skin color?? Let me guess, you think only racist whites vote AGAINST Obama because he is black, but high minded liberals don't vote for him because hes black.
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No significant number did. If that was all it took, Jessie Jackson would have been president. Or Al Sharpton. Or a few others. He won on merit.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Objective Voice said:
And for the record, what this poll question is really trying to say is "the nation's first Black President made a mess of things and, as such, the nation should never elect another Black man to the White House".

I say BS!!!

Again, the man was elected TWICE, TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS!

He hasn't started another war.

The economy has rebounded.

Except for taxation under ObamaCare, nothing about your freedoms (of movement, of speech, of property or gun ownership, of wealth attainment) has been taken away!

So, I call foul of the very premise of the poll.

It's been often said that a Black man has to work twice as hard as a White man to achieve the same results. Damn, but White America (politicians) have made this man work for every victory he's achieved no matter how small.
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I actually don't disagree with much of that. I think the poll question is stupid and I don't link the mans incompetence with his skin color. As bad as Carter was, it didn't disqualify whites from running for president thereafter. Same is true for Obama and blacks.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Boo Radley said:
Again, As there is no significant number who voted based on race, there is no need to argue it except to argue he won not on merit but race, and to mitigate republican candidate flaws. There is no other reason.
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I don't want to read your off topic troll posts anymore. Quote someone else.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Boo Radley said:
No significant number did. If that was all it took, Jessie Jackson would have been president. Or Al Sharpton. Or a few others. He won on merit.
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I agree with you, Obama won because he was a superior candidate. He was superior to Hillary and far superior to McCain. I don't see any reason to deny, though, that his skin color helped him in 2008, but McCain was gonna lose no matter what color Obama was. I think many people voted for him because he was black, but I don't think it was decisive in either 2008 or 2012.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Captain America said:
I simply shared my opinion to wit you replied, and I quote,



In my book that makes you a troll. (Actually, I had another word in mind but I prefer to keep the high ground.)
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How does me pointing out your trolling, race baiting post make me a troll? Do you not know what that word means?
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Boo Radley said:
Again, As there is no significant number who voted based on race, there is no need to argue it except to argue he won not on merit but race, and to mitigate republican candidate flaws. There is no other reason.
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I think some voted for Obama because of his race and I think some didn't vote for him because of his race. The two cancel each other out in my opinion.

I think he was largely elected because America wanted to send a loud message that we were tired of rightwing, warmongering, corporate special interests guiding our nation. I think he was elected the second time, because America still remembers what voting for a GOP president will get us.

The collective memory of the American voter is short. But I STILL think there are enough voters with a hard-on for GOP presidential candidates to assure that we will be safe from them for another presidential election cycle, or two. Maybe. But make no mistake, the political pendulum will again swing to favor the GOP presidential nominee. And, make no mistake, they will stick it up our ass again. The question is, when?

The GOP does GREAT during mid-term elections. But presidential elections, not so much. There are more democrat voters than republican voters. And there are even MORE independents. Independents don't like all that extremo righty stuff. The GOP is gonna have to come off of that if they hope to have any future in presidential elections. It's the independents who decide.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

AGENT J said:
America in general was ready, the majority of people were ready . . .
Whether a person likes him or not the fact remains Obama got elected twice by his ability to bring people together and unite races among NORMAL people.

now that aside what it did do along the lines of race . . . .it the people that ALREADY had a problem with race (all colors) on fire and made them lose thier **** and go off the deep end. It was both sad and halarious at the same time. THey are still losing thier **** now and many of the same people are losing thier **** over equal rights for gays.

anyway so again, it actually proved that AMERICA is read but we still have work to do because there are still many people (squeaky wheels, media whores etc) that do have a serious problem with race . . . but they dont reflect the majority of america
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wow I really gotta stop multitasking, treating my posts like text messages and focus more lol thats horrendous.

lets try that again . . . . .

America in general was ready, the majority of people were ready . . .

Whether a person likes him or not the fact remains Obama got elected twice by his ability to bring people together and unite races among NORMAL people.

Now that aside, what it did do along the lines of race . . . .to the people that ALREADY had a problem with race (all colors) . . . .it set them on fire, made them lose thier **** and go off the deep end.
It was both sad and hilarious at the same time. They are still losing thier **** right now and many of the same people are losing thier **** over equal rights for gays also.

So again, it actually proved that AMERICA is read but we still have work to do because there are many people (squeaky wheels, media whores etc) that do have a serious problem with race . . . but they dont reflect the majority of america.

America in general has never been better with race relations, its only the loons that are hyper active.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Fletch said:
How does me pointing out your trolling, race baiting post make me a troll? Do you not know what that word means?
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Well, the actual word I wanted to use to describe you would surely cost me points. I'm just playing it safe. ;)
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Captain America said:
I think some voted for Obama because of his race and I think some didn't vote for him because of his race. The two cancel each other out in my opinion.

I think he was largely elected because America wanted to send a loud message that we were tired of rightwing, warmongering, corporate special interests guiding our nation. I think he was elected the second time, because America still remembers what voting for a GOP president will get us.

The collective memory of the American voter is short. But I STILL think there are enough voters with a hard-on for GOP presidential candidates to assure that we will be safe from them for another presidential election cycle, or two. Maybe. But make no mistake, the political pendulum will again swing to favor the GOP presidential nominee. And, make no mistake, they will stick it up our ass again. The question is, when?

The GOP does GREAT during mid-term elections. But presidential elections, not so much. There are more democrat voters than republican voters. And there are even MORE independents. Independents don't like all that extremo righty stuff. The GOP is gonna have to come off of that if they hope to have any future in presidential elections. It's the independents who decide.
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Agree on the first election, but he won number two based on lies.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Fearandloathing said:
Agree on the first election, but he won number two based on lies.
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Are you trying to tell me that politicians don't tell the truth? Say it ain't so!

He won election number 2 because more American voters voted for him.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Fletch said:
I agree with you, Obama won because he was a superior candidate. He was superior to Hillary and far superior to McCain. I don't see any reason to deny, though, that his skin color helped him in 2008, but McCain was gonna lose no matter what color Obama was. I think many people voted for him because he was black, but I don't think it was decisive in either 2008 or 2012.
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and proof that the superior candidate is not necessarily qualified for the job.

Elections are marketing and he fooled you...twice
 
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Paxaeon said:
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Not at all. Considering that Obama has alienated a number of progressives and liberals by adopting Bush's conservative policies, the political right still hates him. The only reason I can see is race.....or a majority of the right has gone insane.
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Wait...you presume the progressives and liberals dont like him because of SOME of his practices (but they arent 'racist') but dont think conservatives might see things in his actions, behaviors, attitudes and positions? You dont think HE intentionally antagonizes his political opponents?

Bull****.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
and proof that the superior candidate is not necessarily qualified for the job.

Elections are marketing and he fooled you...twice
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They all fool us. And you are right, candidates are a product of savvy PR firms and strategists. No one is actually "gualified," to be a president. That is the kind of job that only "on the job training," will qualify anybody. And, at least as far as I am concerned, Obama has performed as well, and even better than most before him, in my generation.
 
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