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Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black Pres? [W:222]

Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?


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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

60 million people disagree.

And are you denying that some people voted for him simply because he is half black, and that was an historic vote, as jdubya said?

Yes, not enough to matter voted for for that reason. And candidate who could resonate with the American voter could have won. Republicans need to take personable responsibility for fielding poor candidates and stop blaming everything else.

And facts are not up to popular vote. Factually, the statement is racist.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

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I don't particularly like Obama. I didn't vote for him in the last election (voted for Jill Stein - Green Party) Among other things, he's a liar and corporate tool. However, the reasons I dislike Obama are diametric to why the political right (GOP, TP, religious extremists, etc) dislikes him for. I am not loyal to the duopoly.

I didn't vote for him in '12 either, and I don't care for the duopoly. However there are those, who while claiming they aren't Republicans, will unfailing defend anyone who would have an (R) next to his name. Same goes for the other side.

Heck, I get baited into exactly that sometimes. The fact is that some people don't like him simply because he's a Democrat, and will only miraculously change their view of him if he switches parties.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

By all accounts? No, not by all accounts.

I'm not surprised to see lazy racebaiting from one of his supporters, though.

It's the only card you have to play. And man, is it ever worn down from use.

OK, nearly all. But, yes, nearly all accounts. Obama won on merit. He was better.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Yes, not enough to matter voted for for that reason. And candidate who could resonate with the American voter could have won. Republicans need to take personable responsibility for fielding poor candidates and stop blaming everything else.

And facts are not up to popular vote. Factually, the statement is racist.

What do Republicans have to do with my post? And what is "personable responsibility" anyway?
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

60 million people disagree.

And are you denying that some people voted for him simply because he is half black, and that was an historic vote, as jdubya said?

Some people surely did, but that poster's comment still borders on racist. I still think that half the reason Palin got chosen as McCain's mate was that the GOP felt like they needed their own "special" to get votes (special is not a comment on her intelligence here).
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

What do Republicans have to do with my post? And what is "personable responsibility" anyway?

It's when you find the responsible party to be a really likeable guy.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Of course it isn't. In the grand scheme of things, the only people who think about the color of his skin are those who use it to defend against criticism of a woefully inept President.


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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

What do Republicans have to do with my post? And what is "personable responsibility" anyway?

personal. Doing three things at once. And you're making excuses for republican loses no matter who you voted for.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Some people surely did, but that poster's comment still borders on racist. I still think that half the reason Palin got chosen as McCain's mate was that the GOP felt like they needed their own "special" to get votes (special is not a comment on her intelligence here).

And you think that's an epiphany, rocket? It's obvious the Republicans picked Palin to appeal to women, and possibly hunters, Midwesterners, and other groups as well. That's what they do in these races. It isn't racist to say Obama appealed to black voters. He did.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

It has been said repeatedly by some over the years that the United States is not ready for a black President. Is the Obama Presidency proof of this?

Ready?

What's to be ready for? It's his ideology and political views that alter things, not his race.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

personal. Doing three things at once. And you're making excuses for republican loses no matter who you voted for.

What excuses did I make for the Republican losses? Are you confusing me with someone else?

The Republicans lost because they didn't do a good job of delivering a message that sold. They aren't the first party to lose elections and won't be the last.

None of that changes the fact that some people voted for Obama because he's black. Just like some people voted in his primary elections in 2008 for Hillary Clinton because she's a woman.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

AMEN.

If we actually LOOKED at Hillary's resume, this is what it says:

Rich, lying, elitist 1%er with offshore bank accounts. She was FIRED from the Watergate investigation for lying. Her sec. of state run was a historically awful one, resulting in the foreign policy failures and her resignation.

But heck, she's a woman and the people don't give a crap about the rest!

Liberals don't anyhow. They're not that bright, they only care how you look on TV and whether you check off the right politically correct boxes.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Obama just shows that US is never ready for a bad president. Skin color doesn't matter.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

60 million people disagree.

And are you denying that some people voted for him simply because he is half black, and that was an historic vote, as jdubya said?

I know a lot of people personally who voted for him only because he was black. I have friends who have never voted in their lives, yet registered just to vote for a black president. Anyone saying this didn't happen is an idiot.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

What excuses did I make for the Republican losses? Are you confusing me with someone else?

The Republicans lost because they didn't do a good job of delivering a message that sold. They aren't the first party to lose elections and won't be the last.

None of that changes the fact that some people voted for Obama because he's black. Just like some people voted in his primary elections in 2008 for Hillary Clinton because she's a woman.

Yes, you are making excuses. You mitigate their failure by suggesting that if people voted other than by race, republicans would have won. You also suggest a black man couldn't win on merit. This is racist. Again, using the very vague word some allows a hint at reasoning without accuracy to back it up. 5 people would be some, but would have no bearing on anything. As I said, while it was likely more than 5, the number that did has no significant bearing on anything. So throwing that out there is a very questionable tactic.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

It has been said repeatedly by some over the years that the United States is not ready for a black President. Is the Obama Presidency proof of this?

America in general was ready, the majority of people were ready . . .
Whether a person likes him or not the fact remains Obama got elected twice by his ability to bring people together and unite races among NORMAL people.

now that aside what it did do along the lines of race . . . .it the people that ALREADY had a problem with race (all colors) on fire and made them lose thier **** and go off the deep end. It was both sad and halarious at the same time. THey are still losing thier **** now and many of the same people are losing thier **** over equal rights for gays.

anyway so again, it actually proved that AMERICA is read but we still have work to do because there are still many people (squeaky wheels, media whores etc) that do have a serious problem with race . . . but they dont reflect the majority of america
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

I'm pushing 60 and despite some things I disagree with Obama on, in my opinion, he is the best president I remember in my lifetime. At least my bank account thinks so. As well as the US enjoying more liberty today than it ever has. (Not to mention he is a bad-ass terrorist killin' mo' fo'.) To me, these are GOOD things.

So, knowing that, I can only ASSUME he is hated so badly by The President's Hater's Club, because of his skin color. Of course, they will never admit it. They can't even admit it to themselves. But, that being said, I still prefer not to assume. So, I will just sit back and enjoy watching all his hater's gnash their teeth and spew their propaganda-washed minds. I get pleasure in that.

I need to get out more. LOL!
 
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Yes, you are making excuses. You mitigate their failure by suggesting that if people voted other than by race, republicans would have won. You also suggest a black man couldn't win on merit. This is racist. Again, using the very vague word some allows a hint at reasoning without accuracy to back it up. 5 people would be some, but would have no bearing on anything. As I said, while it was likely more than 5, the number that did has no significant bearing on anything. So throwing that out there is a very questionable tactic.
Where did she suggest that a 'black man couldn't win on merit?' The only one that seems to be suggesting that is you. And for the record, stating that many blacks voted for Obama because he was black is not a racist statement.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

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If Obama could walk on water, the political right would say "he can't swim." Why? I look at this this way, Obama is also called "Bush II" or sometimes "Bush Lite." He's more conservative than Bush and had implicitly adopted many Bush policies. Still, the political right hates him. I can only come to one conclusion as to why; Race.

You CHOOSE to come to one conclusion. Race. Because its the conclusion you want.
Where whites that didnt like George Bush racist? Where blacks?
Are these folks racist?


There will always be racist people. And there will always be people that are desperate to see racists.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Yes, you are making excuses. You mitigate their failure by suggesting that if people voted other than by race, republicans would have won. You also suggest a black man couldn't win on merit. This is racist. Again, using the very vague word some allows a hint at reasoning without accuracy to back it up. 5 people would be some, but would have no bearing on anything. As I said, while it was likely more than 5, the number that did has no significant bearing on anything. So throwing that out there is a very questionable tactic.

I made no such excuses nor am I debating about why the Republicans lost the last 2 elections - nor is anyone else. Have you stumbled into the wrong thread?

I was commenting on your incorrect claim that it was racist for jdubya to say that people voted for Obama only because he was black and it was an historic vote. The Republicans have nothing to do with what he posted, and they have nothing to do with what I posted. You're bringing them into this discussion, and you're dialoging with yourself about them.

And your claim that I ever said or hinted that a "black man couldn't win on merit" is a lie, as evidenced by the fact I've said repeatedly that this country is ready for a black President. Don't make up things that aren't true. Obama won because people bought into his rhetoric. Pay attention....this gets tiresome when you make these trolls posts.
Pay attention to the post you declared to be "racist" and read it again.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Where did she suggest that a 'black man couldn't win on merit?' The only one that seems to be suggesting that is you. And for the record, stating that many blacks voted for Obama because he was black is not a racist statement.
When she suggested that people voted based on skin color, which is not merit.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Where did she suggest that a 'black man couldn't win on merit?' The only one that seems to be suggesting that is you. And for the record, stating that many blacks voted for Obama because he was black is not a racist statement.

I never suggested it. I feel like I've entered some alternate universe reading his posts. Amazing.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

I can't change the parameters in someone else's poll. Why do you keep posting to me and not to him?

Fascinating. So why do you keep quoting me in your posts?

The reason I've quoted is the sub-plot you and others weave into the question at hand yet pretend the man's race has nothing to do with why you don't like him. Exhibit A:

tres borrachos said:
The Obama Presidency is proof that the country wasn't ready for an under-qualified community organizer who was elected because of a rock star image instead of any legitimate leadership, economic, or foreign policy expertise.

While it true that people will vote for a candidate they find "likeable," they also vote for candidates they consider to be honest, trustworthy, credible, and "qualified" for the job. Now, per Art. II, sect. 1 of the U.S. Constitution, what are those qualifications:

a) Natural-born U.S. citizen

b) 35 yrs of age

c) 4 yr U.S. resident

That's it! Nothing more, nothing less. We tag on all the rest, i.e. "executive experience, foreign policy experience" mainly because historical experience for one elected to the highest office in the land has shown that the more such experience such a person has the better capable he (or she) is to lead the country on both a foreign and domestic front. This has more to do with the President being both an Ambassador for foreign trade agreements and acting as Commander-in-Chief to our military should (and when) the need arises. But nothing in the Constitution requires a person elected to the Presidency to have executive or foreign policy experience. It's nice - a BIG plus - if he/she does, but it's not a requirement. But this is why I've tagged you because of the continued "Community Organizer" criticism. The man was likable and his community service credentials (in the eyes of many) gave him "common man appeal" which to be honest was (and remains) something this country needed especially with all the talk (especially coming from the Right) about "elitists" and crony capitalism.

So, let's not pretend that the sub-plots are nothing more than a smoke screen to deflect from hidden prejudicial views.
 
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

I'm pushing 60 and despite some things I disagree with Obama on, in my opinion, he is the best president I remember in my lifetime. At least my bank account thinks so. As well as the US enjoying more liberty today than it ever has. (Not to mention he is a bad-ass terrorist killin' mo' fo'.) To me, these are GOOD things.

So, knowing that, I can only ASSUME he is hated so badly by The President's Hater's Club, because of his skin color. Of course, they will never admit it. They can't even admit it to themselves. But, that being said, I still prefer not to assume. So, I will just sit back and enjoy watching all his hater's gnash their teeth and spew their propaganda-washed minds. I get pleasure in that.

I need to get out more. LOL!

The ones who "hate" Obama seem to hate Joe Biden and Harry Reid as well. I guess they must hate black AND white people.
 
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