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Thread: Did the US use democracy as a pretext to stifle the rise of Russia Eurasianism?

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    Re: Did the US use democracy as a pretext to stifle the rise of Russia Eurasianism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    The direct evidence of Russian involvement in Ukraine is indisputable, yet you say nothing of this and totally ignore it.

    Rather then accept the obvious, you instead search for some indirect bludgeon to hammer the United States. Inexplicable.
    You don't understand my motives. So please allow me to explain. I realize that Russia is involved in Ukraine. There is simply no other explanation for why the separatists have been able to put up such stiff resistance from the U.S. backed Ukrainian government. My problem with this is it will result in a nuclear war because Ukraine is simply a vital interest of Russia. Russia cannot survive as an strong, INDEPENDENT state if it is surrounded by NATO and is heavily dependent on western investment for it's survival.

    Ariel Cohen's theory is essentially that Russia can be quite effectively contained by the following

    1. NATO expansion
    2. foreign investment in Russia
    3. denying Russia the ability to influence European countries with it's energy resources
    4. allowing NGOs in Russia to influence the political process there.

    Ukraine is important because it plays a role in items 1 and 3. People like Putin naturally don't see things that way. Mr Cohen's theory is nice and is somewhat elegant. However, he is lost in his theory, and has not properly taken into account that Russia is a nuclear armed state that is capable of destroying the United States. As such, they can draw lines in Ukraine that the US if it decided to cross, it would do so at it's peril. And at that point, it affects me and my family. I don't care so much for myself, but I don't want to see my family destroyed because of a failure to look at the chessboard properly. Therefore I am saying these things. Does that make sense?
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    Re: Did the US use democracy as a pretext to stifle the rise of Russia Eurasianism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Russia cannot survive as an strong, INDEPENDENT state if it is surrounded by NATO and is heavily dependent on western investment for it's survival.
    Russia is a petro-state that has not diversified its economy. That is the fault of no one except Russia. Even so, western investment in Russia was significant until Crimea. Russia is a nuclear power and no one is going to invade. Surrounded by NATO? You'd better look at a map. Russia is the largest country in the world (nine time zones) and is nowhere near being "surrounded" by NATO.


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    Re: Did the US use democracy as a pretext to stifle the rise of Russia Eurasianism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Russia is a petro-state that has not diversified its economy. That is the fault of no one except Russia. Even so, western investment in Russia was significant until Crimea. Russia is a nuclear power and no one is going to invade. Surrounded by NATO? You'd better look at a map. Russia is the largest country in the world (nine time zones) and is nowhere near being "surrounded" by NATO.
    Cherry picking I see.

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