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    Re: Did the US use democracy as a pretext to stifle the rise of Russia Eurasianism?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    NO! Ukraine's independence, territorial integrity, democracy, economic reforms based on the rule of law, and sustainable pro-Western orientation are HUGELY SIGNIFICANT AND OBVIOUS FRONTS FOR EVIL MACHINATIONS OF THE EVIL SECRET POWERS WHO EVILY CONTROL THE WORLD FOR EVIL! ONLY BRIGHT RED TEXT IS CAPABLE OF COMMUNICATING THIS!
    Even bright red text requires competent authorship. Partisan bias and attachments to illusion
    seldom prevail in intelligent discussion.

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    Re: Did the US use democracy as a pretext to stifle the rise of Russia Eurasianism?

    If you want to encourage PEACE between Nations, you foster trade among
    them. When you try to limit, control, or monopolize trade you are using the
    tools that usually lead to war. That is what the Allegedly free society of the
    USA is fostering in Ukraine and elsewhere. When we say Free Trade, we
    mean a one way deal good for the USA and its' toadies, the UK, EU and
    Japan. Once again, I feel shame for what multiNational Corporations have
    turned the USA into. The people here really don't know what's going on and
    until they get the MSM perception management cured, they will not know.
    "Ignorance is bliss," don't ya' know?

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    Re: Did the US use democracy as a pretext to stifle the rise of Russia Eurasianism?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Even bright red text requires competent authorship. Partisan bias and attachments to illusion
    seldom prevail in intelligent discussion.
    Well I think it lends a lot of credibility to the notion that our government is so super duper competent that it can secretly run the world, even when the people at the top are completely disinterested in doing so.

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    Re: Did the US use democracy as a pretext to stifle the rise of Russia Eurasianism?

    Ukraine is the critical element for Russia to return to being a mega-power far more than EU countries.

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    Re: Did the US use democracy as a pretext to stifle the rise of Russia Eurasianism?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Ukraine is the critical element for Russia to return to being a mega-power far more than EU countries.
    That's simply not so. Russia has re-routed the South Stream gas transit pipeline to Turkey and thence to Greece.
    Ukraine has been an expensive millstone around Russia's neck. Russia gave Ukraine $35 billion in the last ten
    years. Russia still supplies gas and electric to Ukraine. Russia says it will shut off transit gas through Ukraine
    when the New South Stream project is complete. Europe will still get the gas and Ukraine will get the bone.
    Russia wants to be recognized as an International player in much
    commerce because the Nation crosses 10-11 time zones and possesses a wealth of natural resources including
    huge reserves of oil and gas. Russia has re-aligned its' commercial operations to favor Asian trade instead of an
    unreliable Europe operating as a flunky of the USA. Russia needs mega-power to defend itself from proven predators
    like the USA. Hell mon, if Russia didn't have Nukes, the NeoCons would have ginned up an attack upon Russia long
    ago. That's the reality or at least a small part of it.

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    Re: Did the US use democracy as a pretext to stifle the rise of Russia Eurasianism?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well I think it lends a lot of credibility to the notion that our government is so super duper competent that it can secretly run the world, even when the people at the top are completely disinterested in doing so.
    That's why we have military bases in 150 or so foreign Nations. That's why we have initiated
    wars in dozens of Nations. We do this because the people at the top are completely disinterested
    in doing so. Full Spectrum Dominance with the NWO means to rule the World militarily, economically,
    and politically including and especially the Information SuperHighway. Goebbels revealed the use of
    the MSM as a Machiavellian tool for control and it's working well on your psyche, eh?

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    Re: Did the US use democracy as a pretext to stifle the rise of Russia Eurasianism?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The USA is attempting in Ukraine to prevent Russian dominance over Energy supplies to Europe. The regulations imposed upon Russia in the South Stream pipeline reveal that pressure was attempted at every juncture. The Russians complied and agreed to more dictates than I would have. Alas, enough is enough, and the Russians switch to hardball. No more South Stream. The pipeline will go to Turkey and thence to Greece. That should be a minor salvation to the Greeks in their ongoing austerity program levied upon them by the EU and IMF. It will also shift allegiances to the Nations making them profit, like Russian Gas suppliers. Ukraine has always been an untrustworthy partner for Russia and the EU as regards the GasTransit. Ukraine has repeatedly siphoned off EU gas to the detriment of all involved. Our meddling in Ukraine force Russia to take action in Crimea to protect its' port and access to the Mediterranean. The Ukrainians have initiated a Civil War in Ukraine that could have likely been avoided with negotiation and the USA/CIA, including personal visits by Brennan (CIA head)to make sure there were no negotiations. In the meantime USA actions get a little backflash as Putin wisely negotiates huge trade and economic agreements with Asian alternatives. The USA and its' toadie EU apply sanctions, under false pretenses and Russia. The false nature made more blatant by Obama's CNN interview admitting to brokering the coup before Yanukovych, the democratically elected leader, was forced to flee by CIA allied and US State selected leaders to be. Two sham elections later and these toadies are installed with 18% of possible voters approval. The USA has managed to bring closer together an Asian, soon to be worldwide alliance, that doesn't approve of USA hegemony. We, the people of the USA, are fed from the dung heap know as perception management or Gov't/CIA controlled MSM media creating a lovely storybook of revisionist reality. Propaganda.
    So in your opinion that's good reason to try to over throw a duly elected democracy?

    Come on.....who's into propaganda now?
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    Re: Did the US use democracy as a pretext to stifle the rise of Russia Eurasianism?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    NO! Ukraine's independence, territorial integrity, democracy, economic reforms based on the rule of law, and sustainable pro-Western orientation are HUGELY SIGNIFICANT AND OBVIOUS FRONTS FOR EVIL MACHINATIONS OF THE EVIL SECRET POWERS WHO EVILY CONTROL THE WORLD FOR EVIL!
    ONLY BRIGHT RED TEXT IS CAPABLE OF COMMUNICATING THIS!


    If it was underlined also then it would really get the job done.

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    Re: Did the US use democracy as a pretext to stifle the rise of Russia Eurasianism?

    I think we need a new poll section added to the CT forum so that this type of stuff can go there, so that the CTs are free to talk about their made up stories to their hearts content.
    There's no greater irony than a Trump supporter pointing out hypocrisy; Unless it's Trump himself.

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    Re: Did the US use democracy as a pretext to stifle the rise of Russia Eurasianism?

    Once in a while the tin foil hat crowd will climb up to the surface no matter what you do.
    A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
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    A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.
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