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    Re: Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It might be true that the US stage a coup in Ukraine.But a link from a Russian news site without a video will get dismissed as pro-Russian propaganda making baseless allegations. Most posters are not going to answer a poll based on what someone claims someone else allegedly said.
    The Russians would never stoop so low.
    There propaganda is a No, No.

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    Re: Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup

    Yes Off course..!!!

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    Re: Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Certainly no one who has been around long enough to realize just how much (bleep!) gets reported as news.

    Still, if he really did say that.....

    No, not likely.
    Here is the interview.
    PRES OBAMA on Fareed Zakaria GPS – CNN Press Room - CNN.com Blogs
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The Russians would never stoop so low.
    There propaganda is a No, No.
    Propaganda exists on both sides.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It is explained below what Obama was referring to...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1064265538


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    Re: Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    It is explained below what Obama was referring to...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1064265538
    I see and now you admit that the quote is exactly correct as regards Obama. That would make you the one full of misinformation, disinformation, malarkey, BS, lies, distortions, untruths, and baseless mendacity.

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    Re: Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup

    The thought crossed my mind that historically, Russia has had a buffer state between itself and a NATO country.

    The Ukraine is right up next to Russia, and if that went to NATO, it's no wonder that Putin, the cold war warrior, would react. I mean, what did you expect? No reaction? That seems to indicate a distinct lack of knowledge of history and understanding of Russia, and it's need for 'buffer' between it and the West. They have memories of the deep incursions made by the German army back from WW II.
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    Re: Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    On CNN at that. The clip of that would be nice to see. Multiple links- but they have a duplication quality to them. Multiple postings of the same link - prove what?????
    So where is it? The CNN link????
    It seems to be Russian Media. And they appear to be operating in the usual logically incoherent manner.


    What they are claiming is the money quote:

    "And since Mr. Putin made this decision around Crimea and Ukraine — not because of some grand strategy, but essentially because he was caught off-balance by the protests in the Maidan and [Ukraine's then-President Viktor] Yanukovych then fleeing after we had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine," Obama said in an interview....
    This was the deal that took place after the President of Ukraine fled to the protection of his master the completely disinterested Vladimir Putin. So the US was part of figuring out how to get Ukraine back up and running as a fully legitimate government that was the result of the electoral process, and for that, apparently, we are accused of traveling backwards through time to create the crises in the first place

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    Re: Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    The thought crossed my mind that historically, Russia has had a buffer state between itself and a NATO country.

    The Ukraine is right up next to Russia, and if that went to NATO, it's no wonder that Putin, the cold war warrior, would react. I mean, what did you expect? No reaction? That seems to indicate a distinct lack of knowledge of history and understanding of Russia, and it's need for 'buffer' between it and the West. They have memories of the deep incursions made by the German army back from WW II.
    I would agree that everyone would have agreed that Russia would have attempted to influence events. I don't think you would have had many folks arguing that they would invade. Apparently Russia achieved Strategic Surprise when they went into Crimea (gosh, it's almost as if they suddenly gained a massive advantage in avoiding our SIGINT capability. I wonder where they could have gotten that?).

    Regardless, Russia liking the ability to control its near abroad is not - actually - justification for invading and breaking up neighboring sovereign states.

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    Re: Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I would agree that everyone would have agreed that Russia would have attempted to influence events. I don't think you would have had many folks arguing that they would invade. Apparently Russia achieved Strategic Surprise when they went into Crimea (gosh, it's almost as if they suddenly gained a massive advantage in avoiding our SIGINT capability. I wonder where they could have gotten that?).

    Regardless, Russia liking the ability to control its near abroad is not - actually - justification for invading and breaking up neighboring sovereign states.
    No, not a justification for Russia's actions at all, but perhaps leading to understanding it more.

    If the US instigated the change in government in the Ukraine, from the NATO neutral position to a pro-NATO position, then this lack of understanding of Russia kinda instigated this Russian response, perhaps?
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