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Jill Stein

Would You Consider A Vote For Jill Stein?

  • Only If My Preferred GOP Candidate Loses The Nomination

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I voted for her last time and could do it again but I don't know yet. I disagree with her on guns but as POTUS she couldn't effect much change there anyway. Or I might vote Libertarian. The only way I would consider voting main party is if someone like Sanders or possibly Paul won the primary.
 
is it your position that the only form of guns are assault weapons?

1) assault weapon is an idiotic term that gun banners have used to include all sorts of firearms from pump action shotguns to the Walther Olympic target pistol

2) the 2A is a restriction on government action. It is not properly subject to be divided to allow bans on some common firearms and not others

3) anyone who believes that the way to stop those who violate laws against rape and robbery is to disarm people who don't commit real crimes is too dishonest for me to ever support
 
1) assault weapon is an idiotic term that gun banners have used to include all sorts of firearms from pump action shotguns to the Walther Olympic target pistol

2) the 2A is a restriction on government action. It is not properly subject to be divided to allow bans on some common firearms and not others

3) anyone who believes that the way to stop those who violate laws against rape and robbery is to disarm people who don't commit real crimes is too dishonest for me to ever support



Odd, I would find someone who uses the word "firearm" when discussing the 2A to be too dishonest to argue with.
 
Much like Gary Johnson (L), Jill Stein (G) has put her hat in the ring for a second shot at the White House in 2016. Would you consider a vote for her?

OMG!!! Yuck. Just from a quick google search I already know I don't like her. She looks like my aunt who thinks exactly the same way. Her policies would make America unnoticeable. Not in a good way. Silly Hippies.
 
That's your opinion, I guess. You're not a libertarian, so you don't have much place telling those that are what candidates do and do not appeal to them.

I know the currents in American libertarianism very well. "Left-libertarianism" has little currency across the country; it certainly has no influence within the Libertarian Party, and is generally called libertarian socialism, in the spirit of Chomsky, de Cleyre (and the radical feminists in general) and Proudhon (more broadly, anarcho-communism).

"Left-libertarianism" is not, unlike libertarianism (classical liberalism), rooted in the original political ideas and thoughts of the Founders of the U.S. It's more closely related to social liberalism, (traditional European) anarchism, and socialism of various stripes than classical liberalism.

Jill Stein brings civil issues, foreign policy, and social issues to the table for libertarians. And for more left-leaning libertarians like myself, many parts of her economic platform can be appealing as well. She wouldn't be my first choice, for the reasons I just mentioned, but she'd be a strong consideration.

You can't divorce economic and social issues if your goal is liberty. Greens oppose strong economic rights for the individual, they favor grand government initiatives to combat global warming and whatnot, and they advocate practical economic revolution and a reconfiguration of our economy from a base on oil and gas to renewable sources. How many self-described libertarians agree in the U.S? Not many. The Green party's vote doesn't come from the libertarian bloc, but rather siphons off from the left-wing faction of the Democratic Party and the "alternative left" bloc of the voter-base.
 
3) anyone who believes that the way to stop those who violate laws against rape and robbery is to disarm people who don't commit real crimes is too dishonest for me to ever support

I think those idiots should just come and say something like "we support disarming victims, so rapists and robbers stop raping and robbing people."
 
I admit, I ALMOST considered voting for Jill Stein in 2012...but then I was like nah what's the point.
 
explain how you think this challenge is solved via individual rights?

The 'challenge' of combating global warming? I see global warming as something of a ruse. But my critique of Stein's position is alas simple. Market failures might exist but they're irrelevant because of much larger and more significant government failures. When the government intervenes, in most cases, it often leads to far greater inequities and inefficiencies than the original market failure. When it comes to the environment, this is no different. Private enterprises will ALWAYS figure out ways to constantly redesign and innovatively revolutionise resource management. They have a direct incentive to not waste resources and instead transition to cleaner sources of energy. Protection of their reputation of course ensures this. If anyone honestly thinks that corporations would start pillaging the environment like savages without any government regulation they obviously have no knowledge of history or economics.

Governments worldwide, especially socialist governments, are extreme abusers of the environment, because of their lack of accountability and inability to efficiently allocate resources.
 
She was the Green Party nominee in 2012 and potentially will be again in 2016.

Well, at least she's got the name recognition thing going for her.
 
Protection of their reputation of course ensures this. If anyone honestly thinks that corporations would start pillaging the environment like savages without any government regulation they obviously have no knowledge of history or economics.

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LOL. Wow.
 
LOL. Wow.

You do realize that most of the pollution that liberals complain about is to the most part the fault of the government, right? That's why liberals are so cute. They complain about power plants polluting the environment and guess who is responsible for the current system? The answer might be embarrassing for liberals.
 
Her and the Green Party's platform is every bit as far fetched, desirable and frankly dangerous as libertarians and the CPUSA. Her chances, thankfully, are less than non-existent.
 
You do realize that most of the pollution that liberals complain about is to the most part the fault of the government, right? That's why liberals are so cute. They complain about power plants polluting the environment and guess who is responsible for the current system? The answer might be embarrassing for liberals.

It's cute that you think "power plant pollution" is the only source whereby mankind/business/govt. can (negatively) affect the environment or ecosystem.
 
It's cute that you think "power plant pollution" is the only source whereby mankind/business/govt. can (negatively) affect the environment or ecosystem.

Did I say somewhere that power plants are the only source of pollution? No.

Why don't you look through all of China's pollution problems and then do a little compare and contrast to the US and tell me what you find. There is a reason I consider liberals idiots and this is a good example of it.
 
I know the currents in American libertarianism very well. "Left-libertarianism" has little currency across the country; it certainly has no influence within the Libertarian Party, and is generally called libertarian socialism, in the spirit of Chomsky, de Cleyre (and the radical feminists in general) and Proudhon (more broadly, anarcho-communism).

"Left-libertarianism" is not, unlike libertarianism (classical liberalism), rooted in the original political ideas and thoughts of the Founders of the U.S. It's more closely related to social liberalism, (traditional European) anarchism, and socialism of various stripes than classical liberalism.

Ok, you can read Wikipedia. That doesn't take away from my original point.

You can't divorce economic and social issues if your goal is liberty. Greens oppose strong economic rights for the individual,

The concept of "economic liberty" is nothing more than a glittering generality. It has no inherent meaning...it's propaganda. You might be surprised to find that not everybody sees economics from the same perspective as you do and many on the Left believe they support economic liberty too. The entire concept of socialism and other left-wing economic schools of thought, after all, is worker liberation from corporate capitalists. :shrug:

they favor grand government initiatives to combat global warming and whatnot, and they advocate practical economic revolution and a reconfiguration of our economy from a base on oil and gas to renewable sources.

Again, you can read Wikipedia. How does that take away from anything I have said?

How many self-described libertarians agree in the U.S?

I don't know. I haven't taken it upon myself to travel the country and speak with every single self-described libertarian. I'll make sure to add that to the bucket list...

The Green party's vote doesn't come from the libertarian bloc, but rather siphons off from the left-wing faction of the Democratic Party and the "alternative left" bloc of the voter-base.

Yeah, that's their base. That doesn't mean they can't appeal to people outside of that base. Like when Democrats appeal to moderate conservatives and Republicans appeal to moderate liberals.
 
Much like Gary Johnson (L), Jill Stein (G) has put her hat in the ring for a second shot at the White House in 2016. Would you consider a vote for her?

Well, the only way we will get any kind of real change is by voting third party which is NOT backed by corporate America. I like many of her stances but honestly haven't heard enough about her educational ones. I'm going to do more research. I do like her educating the whole child viewpoint and taking big business out of education stance.
 
I can't help it you don't research the candidates on your ballot. :shrug:

I knew Jill Stein was the Green candidate. I was fishing and got the response I wanted so I could unleash my snappy rejoinder.
 
I knew Jill Stein was the Green candidate. I was fishing and got the response I wanted so I could unleash my snappy rejoinder.

So you were being intellectually dishonest.
 
I'd seriously consider it if it weren't for her positions on gun control.
 
citations needed on claim #1


as to her/Green vs Democrats(or specifically Obama)

end corporate personhood
holds Israel partly responsible for current conditions
end nation building excursions
end NAFTA/ other assymetrical free trade that causes illegal immigration and outsourcing
full public financing of elections
end patriot act


etc

Wow!
What's not to like about that platform?
 
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