View Poll Results: Would You Consider A Vote For Jill Stein?

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  • Absolutely!

    107 34.74%
  • Only If My Preferred GOP Candidate Loses The Nomination

    42 13.64%
  • Only If My Preferred Dem Candidate Loses The Nomination

    49 15.91%
  • Strong Maybe, Leaning Yes.

    40 12.99%
  • Meh. It Could Happen.

    18 5.84%
  • I Like Her And Support Her Run, But No....

    32 10.39%
  • No Way!

    20 6.49%
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    Re: Jill Stein

    I see left wing spammers have buggered up this poll

    there are more actual members who voted no than the "most popular" choice



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    Re: Jill Stein

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Ross perot gave us slick willy
    Funny thing is, after Bush and Obama, I actually find myself missing ol' Slick Willy. Maybe that is just because I miss pre-9-11 America.

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    Re: Jill Stein

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    Funny thing is, after Bush and Obama, I actually find myself missing ol' Slick Willy. Maybe that is just because I miss pre-9-11 America.
    according to the security details I talked to, Clinton was a decent guy. W was the most popular, with his father being the most respected. But they liked Bill (though they despised Hillary). they were sort of blah about Obama



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    Re: Jill Stein

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The only reason Perot got his message out was because he was funding his own campaign. He had money. He made some massive mistakes and ended up losing it all. He's had no significant effect on American politics, any more than Gary Johnson or Jill Stein will.
    True with Perot, he got his message out and received 20% of the vote although he spent less than half of what Bush or Clinton did. I mean individually. Yes, he made a grave mistake of getting out of the race and then re-entering. But up to that time, his message on the debt wasn't being heard. Both parties adopted his message and we ended up with almost a balanced budget in Clinton's last year.

    What happened is a lot of his ideas were adopted by the two major parties. He lost the race, but some of his ideas lived on. But what you just said about his money is true, without money a candidate is nothing. Without money Clinton could not have won.

    Politics is all about money, not messaging, ideas, solutions to problems, visions etc. Money and the negative ads to make the voter hate the other fellow more than they hate you. Then everyone wonders why they can't govern.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Jill Stein

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Politics is all about money, not messaging, ideas, solutions to problems, visions etc. Money and the negative ads to make the voter hate the other fellow more than they hate you. Then everyone wonders why they can't govern.
    But in order to get into office, you have to have a message that appeals to people willing to give you money. This is not the case with third parties, they have a message that appeals to a minuscule minority of people with no money, it's no wonder they fail. Our political system is messed up to be sure, but third parties are just not doing anything to get themselves money, power or votes. They're just wasting everyone's time.
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    Re: Jill Stein

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    True with Perot, he got his message out and received 20% of the vote although he spent less than half of what Bush or Clinton did. I mean individually. Yes, he made a grave mistake of getting out of the race and then re-entering. But up to that time, his message on the debt wasn't being heard. Both parties adopted his message and we ended up with almost a balanced budget in Clinton's last year.

    What happened is a lot of his ideas were adopted by the two major parties. He lost the race, but some of his ideas lived on. But what you just said about his money is true, without money a candidate is nothing. Without money Clinton could not have won.

    Politics is all about money, not messaging, ideas, solutions to problems, visions etc. Money and the negative ads to make the voter hate the other fellow more than they hate you. Then everyone wonders why they can't govern.
    That's very common in American political history. Third parties are usually parties of only one or two ideas, and if those ideas become popular and the Big 2 adopt them (in some form), the third party ceases to be relevant.
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    Re: Jill Stein

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Well here I am, wavering. So get over yourself.
    "Get over myself?"

    Well, that's an explanation of sorts.

    It's like someone having career aspirations of working for the NRA or for the Brady Campaign. It's like someone getting up on each Sunday and spinning a roulette wheel to determine if they're going to worship God or Satan.

    It makes sense to someone to be for the Green as your ideal choice and a Democrat as your slightly less socialist backup / mainstream option. It makes no sense to be for the diametrically opposed extreme socialist and the extreme capitalist.

    Between a free market guy and a lady that wants more government wage controls / considers phone and internet service to be a right and wants to nationalize like damn near everything... by what metric could someone agree with both of these views?
    Last edited by JayDubya; 01-31-15 at 11:20 PM.

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    Re: Jill Stein

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Much like Gary Johnson (L), Jill Stein (G) has put her hat in the ring for a second shot at the White House in 2016. Would you consider a vote for her?
    I like Jill and in general if a 3rd party had a real chance in the US she would be a strong candidate IMO. Her only issues would be to curb some of her views, they couldn't be part of her running platform, like guns and some energy stuff.

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    Re: Jill Stein

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    "Get over myself?"

    Well, that's an explanation of sorts.

    It's like someone having career aspirations of working for the NRA or for the Brady Campaign. It's like someone getting up on each Sunday and spinning a roulette wheel to determine if they're going to worship God or Satan.

    It makes sense to someone to be for the Green as your ideal choice and a Democrat as your slightly less socialist backup / mainstream option. It makes no sense to be for the diametrically opposed extreme socialist and the extreme capitalist.

    Between a free market guy and a lady that wants more government wage controls / considers phone and internet service to be a right and wants to nationalize like damn near everything... by what metric could someone agree with both of these views?
    This may come as a shock to you, but I really don't care who you think I should and should not support. I am wavering between Gary Johnson and Jill Stein. Why? Because they are the same on most social issues (gay rights, pro choice, legalize drugs, etc.), civil rights (abolish ndaa/patriot act, reign in nsa, stop racial profiling, demilitarize police, etc), and foreign policy (keep our boys home and stop provoking other countries). On the same point, I am both socialist and pro-gun. I am for both helping the poor and for ending or at least shrinking most national bureaucracies. I am for both unions and homeschooling. So on and so forth. Which is where the indecision comes in.

    Not everyone fits into your little black & white misconceptions about the world. Like I said: get over yourself.

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    Re: Jill Stein

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Ok, you can read Wikipedia. That doesn't take away from my original point.
    Having knowledge on something means having read Wikipedia?



    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    The concept of "economic liberty" is nothing more than a glittering generality. It has no inherent meaning...it's propaganda.
    Tell that to fellow libertarians who believe that the foundation of all rights lies in property rights.

    To call something quantifiable like economic liberty "propaganda" is just disingenuous. Only someone with a tyrant trapped within them would deny someone the ability to enter into contracts freely and the fruits of their labor, and force them to belong to some workers' collective, which is what left-libertarianism is all about.

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Again, you can read Wikipedia. How does that take away from anything I have said?
    It's common knowledge what the Greens advocate, nothing to do with Wikipedia. Each time you accuse me of that you're revealing insecurities. And yes, it takes everything away from what you said, because it exposes how the Greens having nothing in common with libertarians.

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    I don't know. I haven't taken it upon myself to travel the country and speak with every single self-described libertarian. I'll make sure to add that to the bucket list...
    Libertarianism in the US has always translated to fiscal conservatism and social liberalism. People with your views usually identify as socialist. Nice try...

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Yeah, that's their base. That doesn't mean they can't appeal to people outside of that base. Like when Democrats appeal to moderate conservatives and Republicans appeal to moderate liberals.
    They'll have a hard time attracting votes from libertarians when their rhetoric is anti-gun rights, pro big government and anti property rights (and private enterprise in general). Is that hard to understand?
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