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Thread: As Russia continues to arm Ukraine Rebels, do we just let it go?

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    Re: As Russia continues to arm Ukraine Rebels, do we just let it go?

    Ukrainian teenagers are my favorite cam models.

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    Re: As Russia continues to arm Ukraine Rebels, do we just let it go?

    Ukraine is the essential element to Russia returning to being a major world superpower. Without Ukraine, Russia is one of many major world powers. With Ukraine, Russia can pursue returning to being above other European countries again in power and influence.

    We should modestly arm Ukraine with weapons capable of taking out heavy armor and low altitude aircraft to let it turn into an unending quagmire for Russia. Just enough for neither side to win. Russians will tire of it like they did in Afghanistan and we did in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.

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    Re: As Russia continues to arm Ukraine Rebels, do we just let it go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    we have our own country to rebuild,
    One of the most enduring myths about the federal budget is that a significant portion of it goes overseas in the form of foreign aid. In fact, foreign economic aid is about 0.9% of the federal budget. Foreign aid totals 1.4% of the budget if you include military assistance to foreign countries. There were 85 democracies in 1980. With US assistance, this number jumped to 115 by 1995. Clearly, it is in the long-term security/economic interests of the US to provide support to countries that wish to align and participate in the community of free and democratic nations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    and we are not the pro bono global police force
    Shades of Henry Agard Wallace. However, Ukraine has requested neither US military boots nor US police forces.

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    Ukraine is an issue for the EU to address or not address.
    Your two houses of Congress wisely do not see it that way and unanimously passed the Ukraine Freedom Act of 2014 which was signed into law by President Obama on 18 December 2014.

    H. R. 5859 - Sec. 3. Statement of policy regarding Ukraine

    It is the policy of the United States to further assist the Government of Ukraine in restoring its sovereignty and territorial integrity to deter the Government of the Russian Federation from further destabilizing and invading Ukraine and other independent countries in Central and Eastern Europe, the Caucasus, and Central Asia. That policy shall be carried into effect, among other things, through a comprehensive effort, in coordination with allies and partners of the United States where appropriate, that includes economic sanctions, diplomacy, assistance for the people of Ukraine, and the provision of military capabilities to the Government of Ukraine that will enhance the ability of that Government to defend itself and to restore its sovereignty and territorial integrity in the face of unlawful actions by the Government of the Russian Federation.


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    Re: As Russia continues to arm Ukraine Rebels, do we just let it go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    One of the most enduring myths about the federal budget is that a significant portion of it goes overseas in the form of foreign aid. In fact, foreign economic aid is about 0.9% of the federal budget. Foreign aid totals 1.4% of the budget if you include military assistance to foreign countries. There were 85 democracies in 1980. With US assistance, this number jumped to 115 by 1995. Clearly, it is in the long-term security/economic interests of the US to provide support to countries that wish to align and participate in the community of free and democratic nations.


    Shades of Henry Agard Wallace. However, Ukraine has requested neither US military boots nor US police forces.


    Your two houses of Congress wisely do not see it that way and unanimously passed the Ukraine Freedom Act of 2014 which was signed into law by President Obama on 18 December 2014.
    we need to seriously change our global military policy and go back to being a country for a while. then regional powers will be forced to police their own regions. we can worry about Mexico, and if Europe wants to slug it out with Russia over Ukraine, that's on them. enough is enough.

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    Re: As Russia continues to arm Ukraine Rebels, do we just let it go?

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    I just watched this documentary, unbias for either side, and it showed some pretty messed up stuff in Ukraine. It's quite clear that the Ukrainians in the far east want to be with Russia, and that Sector 5 and the rest of Ukraine want them out. Why not just give Russia that little piece of Ukraine?
    Just let's only help the Eu guarantee peace in Europe. It might be dangerous, because they are rather bad at it And might blow it. but they must learn. We cannot do everything for them alone.

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