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Is the Democratic Party Marxist?[W:23]

Is the Democratic Party communist?

  • Yes, the 10 pillars of communism align with the core beliefs of the dems

    Votes: 5 33.3%

  • No, they might be similar but there are minor differences

    Votes: 10 66.7%
  • Total voters
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JumpinJack said:
The polls are getting to be a little passive aggressive. Now there's not even a pretense that it's a real poll:

Which is correct?
1. You are a serial murderer.
2. There are similarities, but you are not actually a serial murderer.
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Ha... I've been called a lot of things in my day, some of them deserving. "Passive aggressive" is a first.

What you call passive aggressive, I call the American Way. Give people the illusion of a choice.

I call it the farce of American democracy. On the left, you have Moron A. On the right, you have Moron B. When the country inevitably goes to ****, they'll blame you.... after all, you voted for the moron.

And yes, I'm calling Barack Obama a moron.

And this next election: Jeb Bush - moron. Mitt Romney - moron. Hillary Clinton - moron. Elizabeth Warren - moron. Nothing but a bunch of bad choices. The American definition of choice. God bless America.
 
Grand Mal said:
No it couldn't. There's nothing in that list that either major American party would approve of. The idea that the President of the USA is a communist is so ludicrous that only a political moron (present company excluded) could entertain it. It would take a complete simpleton (present company excluded) to even think the idea was worth considering. Whoever taught you to say this did you no favours.
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Whoever called me passive aggressive (above)..... THIS is textbook passive aggressiveness. Nonetheless, I shall fight the good fight, I shall win this argument. I shall fight on the seas and oceans. I shall defend this island, whatever the cost may be.

Look bud, which party gave us the department of land management (point 1)? Which party gave us the progressive income tax (point 2)? Which party gave us the inheritance tax (point 3)? Which party gave us the FED (point 5)? Which party gave us PBS, and owns the liberal media (point 6)?

And on and on we go.
 
Peter Grimm said:
I present you the 10 pillars of communism, as outlined by Karl Marx himself in The Communist Manifesto. As you can see, these are pretty much the talking points of the Democratic Party in the United States today.


1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.
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I stopped here, since this is wrong on an almost astral level. Are you really going to sit there and try to claim that the Democratic Party is trying to abolish private property?
 
Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

Peter Grimm said:
Let's see. If something waddles like a duck, likes to hang out in lakes with other ducks, quacks like a duck, has a duck bill, has a big sign around its neck that says "HI I'M A ****ING DUCK," what do you call that?

Oh yeah, in America we're not allowed to call it a duck. Must be a goose.
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I would call it a duck if it wasn't BARKING. Seriously, there's MAYBE two things on your little list you can reasonably claim are actual Democratic Party policy points.
 
Peter Grimm said:
I present you the 10 pillars of communism, as outlined by Karl Marx himself in The Communist Manifesto. As you can see, these are pretty much the talking points of the Democratic Party in the United States today.


1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.



This list could have come right out of President Obama's state of the union speech. What do you think, is the modern Democratic Party very closely aligned with the core beliefs of communism or what?
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No dear, now go back to sleep
 
Democrats in America are no more Marxist or Communist than Republicans in America are Facists. America is unique in that you have a two party political system that is very inflexible and not conducive to emergence or involvement of new or niche parties. As a result, those on the extremes of the political spectrum have nowhere to go other than to the basically centrist Republicans or the basically centrist Democrats. In Canada, and to a greater extent much of Europe, there are a multitude of political parties catering to a wide array of the normal and the nutty, including actual Communist parties.
 
Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

Peter Grimm said:
Pretty much all of it is. You guys just like to move us in that direction gradually as to avoid any major backlash. But we can go point for point if you want and I can show you how the democratic party has pushed us closer and closer to each of these communist ideals over the years.

But you don't want to go down that route. That would involve exposing your party for what it is, and it would involve facts and such.... that ain't what you guys are about. Hope and change, baby!
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Please do. Show us line by line the bills and dates of these bills. Show us the votes on these bills.
 
Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

Peter Grimm said:
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Ok, yeah. You're trolling. That explains it.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Whoever called me passive aggressive (above)..... THIS is textbook passive aggressiveness. Nonetheless, I shall fight the good fight, I shall win this argument. I shall fight on the seas and oceans. I shall defend this island, whatever the cost may be.

Look bud, which party gave us the department of land management (point 1)? Which party gave us the progressive income tax (point 2)? Which party gave us the inheritance tax (point 3)? Which party gave us the FED (point 5)? Which party gave us PBS, and owns the liberal media (point 6)?

And on and on we go.
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Point 1- Since when does the dep't of land management oversee 'Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose'?
2-Which Republican gov't, federal or state, has repealed the income tax?
3-A tax on inheritance isn't 'Abolition of all rights of inheritance'. And when did a Republican gov't repeal the inheritance tax?
5-I don't know what FED stands for but I do know that not only is there no 'Centralization of credit in the hands of the state', there isn't even a basic, responsible level of regulation of banking. Any idea how many banks fail each year in the US?
10- God, not that tired old canard again.
" And on and on we go." Yes, we do so.
Who tells you this stuff? Or do you make it up yourself? You need to get something into your head- the Republican Party is no more interested in making government smaller and cheaper than are the Democrats. They're all politicians and behind them are bureaucrats and behind them government employees and no-one in the industry (yes, it's an industry) wants their empire to shrink or their budget cut.
And making stuff up doesn't earn you any points here.
 
Peter Grimm said:
I present you the 10 pillars of communism, as outlined by Karl Marx himself in The Communist Manifesto. As you can see, these are pretty much the talking points of the Democratic Party in the United States today.


1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.



This list could have come right out of President Obama's state of the union speech. What do you think, is the modern Democratic Party very closely aligned with the core beliefs of communism or what?
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If you are gonna use a blogs information you should probably site where you got it from The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx

And no the Democratic Party is nowhere close to be considered Marxist.
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Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

Gathomas88 said:
It certainly has Marxist elements in its ranks, and it does tend to put a lot of faith in a number of Marxist ideological principles as well.

They're watered down, admittedly. However, they are there.
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That is ridiculous. It is like saying that Joe loves dogs. Hitler loved his dogs. Therefore Joe has Nazi tendencies.
 
Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

SouthernDemocrat said:
That is ridiculous. It is like saying that Joe loves dogs. Hitler loved his dogs. Therefore Joe has Nazi tendencies.
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Not really. At the end of the day, "Progressivism" - the guiding ideology behind the modern DNC - is basically just American political code for European style "Social Democracy," otherwise known as "Democratic Socialism."

"Democratic Socialism" is a watered down Marxist offshoot philosophy, which seeks to enact Socialist policy, philosophy, and ideology through the influence of an electorate, rather than violent "proletarian revolution."

Now, granted, the DNC is quite a bit more moderate than its European peers. However, the same basic principles are still very much in place.
 
Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

Gathomas88 said:
Not really. At the end of the day, "Progressivism" - the guiding ideology behind the modern DNC - is basically just American political code for European style "Social Democracy," otherwise known as "Democratic Socialism."

"Democratic Socialism" is a watered down Marxist offshoot philosophy, which seeks to enact Socialist policy, philosophy, and ideology through the influence of an electorate, rather than violent "proletarian revolution."

Now, granted, the DNC is quite a bit more moderate than its European peers. However, the same basic principles are still very much in place.
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The problem with your argument is that lets say the entire DNC national platform were enacted. The country would not become a Marxist nation as a result of that. It would not even become anything close to a Marxist nation as a result of that. At most we would look a little more like Canada - a nation that still has private property, privately owned businesses, markets and so on.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
The problem with your argument is that lets say the entire DNC national platform were enacted. The country would not become a Marxist nation as a result of that. It would not even become anything close to a Marxist nation as a result of that. At most we would look a little more like Canada - a nation that still has private property, privately owned businesses, markets and so on.
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That depends on how you define a "Marxist" nation. It's not an "all or nothing" affair.

Sweden still has private property, for example, but it's arguably a far more Socialist than Capitalist country.

Frankly, either way, the DNC is still far more Marxist than I would ever dream of supporting.
 
Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

Gathomas88 said:
That depends on how you define a "Marxist" nation. It's not an "all or nothing" affair.

Sweden still has private property, for example, but it's arguably a far more Socialist than Capitalist country.

Frankly, either way, the DNC is still far more Marxist than I would ever dream of supporting.
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But that is like saying that the RNC's social platform resembles the social platform of the Mullah's in Iran more than the DNCs social platform, thus if the RNC's full platform was passed, we would be more like Iran. Thus the RNC is nothing but a watered down version of Iran.

Such comparisons are nothing but inflammatory. They are flawed logic.
 
Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

SouthernDemocrat said:
But that is like saying that the RNC's social platform resembles the social platform of the Mullah's in Iran more than the DNCs social platform, thus if the RNC's full platform was passed, we would be more like Iran. Thus the RNC is nothing but a watered down version of Iran.

Such comparisons are nothing but inflammatory. They are flawed logic.
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Again, not really. The DNC's platform actually IS largely "Democratic Socialist." What the DNC wants IS a "watered down" version of what "Socialist" nations like Sweden already have.

Frankly, even the "watered down" part of the equation is contingent on how easily the DNC is able to get what it wants. I think quite a few DNC members and voters would actually LOVE to have the United States remade in the image of a nation like Sweden, if they thought it was actually possible. Many of them still hold such things as a long term goal either way regardless.

The RNC, by way of contrast, is not in any serious sense "Theocratic," let alone Islamic Theocratic. A US where the RNC got everything it wanted would look almost nothing at all like post-Revolutionary Iran.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
I present you the 10 pillars of communism, as outlined by Karl Marx himself in The Communist Manifesto. As you can see, these are pretty much the talking points of the Democratic Party in the United States today.


1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.



This list could have come right out of President Obama's state of the union speech. What do you think, is the modern Democratic Party very closely aligned with the core beliefs of communism or what?
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Not able to participate in your poll, there are no real possible answers that I can choose from. And your accusation of Obama's state of the Union being like the list from Marx is ridiculous.
 
Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

Did Peter Grimm make a terrible poll?

Yes.
 
Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

Gathomas88 said:
Again, not really. The DNC's platform actually IS largely "Democratic Socialist." What the DNC wants IS a "watered down" version of what "Socialist" nations like Sweden already have.

Frankly, even the "watered down" part of the equation is contingent on how easily the DNC is able to get what it wants. I think quite a few DNC members and voters would actually LOVE to have the United States remade in the image of a nation like Sweden, if they thought it was actually possible. Many of them still hold such things as a long term goal either way regardless.

The RNC, by way of contrast, is not in any serious sense "Theocratic," let alone Islamic Theocratic. A US where the RNC got everything it wanted would look almost nothing at all like post-Revolutionary Iran.
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Their philosophy is more Marxist than anything else but it's not "pure" Marxism, mostly because "pure" Marxism has a very well deserved bad reputation. It's not red but some shade of pink; hence the very appropriate classification: "pinko".

The literature and philosophy of the Communist Party USA (cpusa.org) is so similar to that of democrats that I wonder why they're separate parties. I think that it's because democrats are too embarrassed to admit they're Marxists. Or, maybe even more likely, Marxists are too embarrassed to admit they're democrats.
 
Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

Gathomas88 said:
Not really. At the end of the day, "Progressivism" - the guiding ideology behind the modern DNC - is basically just American political code for European style "Social Democracy," otherwise known as "Democratic Socialism."
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Social democracy is not democratic socialism.

"Democratic Socialism" is a watered down Marxist offshoot philosophy, which seeks to enact Socialist policy, philosophy, and ideology through the influence of an electorate, rather than violent "proletarian revolution."
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All Marxists are socialist, all socialists are not Marxists...

Now, granted, the DNC is quite a bit more moderate than its European peers. However, the same basic principles are still very much in place.
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Uh no.
 
"A nematode has more in common with a chimpanzee than with a rock, therefore all chimpanzees are nematodes."
 
Grand Mal said:
Point 1- Since when does the dep't of land management oversee 'Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose'?
2-Which Republican gov't, federal or state, has repealed the income tax?
3-A tax on inheritance isn't 'Abolition of all rights of inheritance'. And when did a Republican gov't repeal the inheritance tax?
5-I don't know what FED stands for but I do know that not only is there no 'Centralization of credit in the hands of the state', there isn't even a basic, responsible level of regulation of banking. Any idea how many banks fail each year in the US?
10- God, not that tired old canard again.
" And on and on we go." Yes, we do so.
Who tells you this stuff? Or do you make it up yourself? You need to get something into your head- the Republican Party is no more interested in making government smaller and cheaper than are the Democrats. They're all politicians and behind them are bureaucrats and behind them government employees and no-one in the industry (yes, it's an industry) wants their empire to shrink or their budget cut.
And making stuff up doesn't earn you any points here.
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So because the Republicans haven't repealed these things, they're just as bad? Mmmmkay. That's like saying the bystander who witnesses a crime is as bad as the criminal who commits it.

And yes, the Democrats are basically criminals.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
If you are gonna use a blogs information you should probably site where you got it from The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx

And no the Democratic Party is nowhere close to be considered Marxist.
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LMAO. The Communist Manifesto isn't a blog, it's a book written by Karl Marx over a hundred years ago. That's where I got the list from, you self-proclaimed "socialist."

Learn a thing or two about your own belief system, my goodness.

You're like a Christian who doesn't know what the Bible is. Now I've heard it all.
 
Peter Grimm said:
So because the Republicans haven't repealed these things, they're just as bad? Mmmmkay. That's like saying the bystander who witnesses a crime is as bad as the criminal who commits it.

And yes, the Democrats are basically criminals.
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This entire thread is utterly absurd. Your premise is breathtakingly stupid and chock full of inaccuracies, distortions and flat-out lies.

0/10.
 
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