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Thread: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?[W:23]

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    Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?[W:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I present you the 10 pillars of communism, as outlined by Karl Marx himself in The Communist Manifesto. As you can see, these are pretty much the talking points of the Democratic Party in the United States today.


    1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.

    2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

    3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

    4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

    5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

    6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.

    7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

    8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

    9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

    10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.



    This list could have come right out of President Obama's state of the union speech. What do you think, is the modern Democratic Party very closely aligned with the core beliefs of communism or what?
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    Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?[W:23]

    Democrats in America are no more Marxist or Communist than Republicans in America are Facists. America is unique in that you have a two party political system that is very inflexible and not conducive to emergence or involvement of new or niche parties. As a result, those on the extremes of the political spectrum have nowhere to go other than to the basically centrist Republicans or the basically centrist Democrats. In Canada, and to a greater extent much of Europe, there are a multitude of political parties catering to a wide array of the normal and the nutty, including actual Communist parties.
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    Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Pretty much all of it is. You guys just like to move us in that direction gradually as to avoid any major backlash. But we can go point for point if you want and I can show you how the democratic party has pushed us closer and closer to each of these communist ideals over the years.

    But you don't want to go down that route. That would involve exposing your party for what it is, and it would involve facts and such.... that ain't what you guys are about. Hope and change, baby!
    Please do. Show us line by line the bills and dates of these bills. Show us the votes on these bills.
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    Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post


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    Ok, yeah. You're trolling. That explains it.

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    Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?[W:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Whoever called me passive aggressive (above)..... THIS is textbook passive aggressiveness. Nonetheless, I shall fight the good fight, I shall win this argument. I shall fight on the seas and oceans. I shall defend this island, whatever the cost may be.

    Look bud, which party gave us the department of land management (point 1)? Which party gave us the progressive income tax (point 2)? Which party gave us the inheritance tax (point 3)? Which party gave us the FED (point 5)? Which party gave us PBS, and owns the liberal media (point 6)?

    And on and on we go.
    Point 1- Since when does the dep't of land management oversee 'Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose'?
    2-Which Republican gov't, federal or state, has repealed the income tax?
    3-A tax on inheritance isn't 'Abolition of all rights of inheritance'. And when did a Republican gov't repeal the inheritance tax?
    5-I don't know what FED stands for but I do know that not only is there no 'Centralization of credit in the hands of the state', there isn't even a basic, responsible level of regulation of banking. Any idea how many banks fail each year in the US?
    10- God, not that tired old canard again.
    " And on and on we go." Yes, we do so.
    Who tells you this stuff? Or do you make it up yourself? You need to get something into your head- the Republican Party is no more interested in making government smaller and cheaper than are the Democrats. They're all politicians and behind them are bureaucrats and behind them government employees and no-one in the industry (yes, it's an industry) wants their empire to shrink or their budget cut.
    And making stuff up doesn't earn you any points here.
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    Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?[W:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I present you the 10 pillars of communism, as outlined by Karl Marx himself in The Communist Manifesto. As you can see, these are pretty much the talking points of the Democratic Party in the United States today.


    1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.

    2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

    3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

    4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

    5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

    6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.

    7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

    8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

    9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

    10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.



    This list could have come right out of President Obama's state of the union speech. What do you think, is the modern Democratic Party very closely aligned with the core beliefs of communism or what?
    If you are gonna use a blogs information you should probably site where you got it from The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx

    And no the Democratic Party is nowhere close to be considered Marxist.


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    Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    It certainly has Marxist elements in its ranks, and it does tend to put a lot of faith in a number of Marxist ideological principles as well.

    They're watered down, admittedly. However, they are there.
    That is ridiculous. It is like saying that Joe loves dogs. Hitler loved his dogs. Therefore Joe has Nazi tendencies.
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    Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    That is ridiculous. It is like saying that Joe loves dogs. Hitler loved his dogs. Therefore Joe has Nazi tendencies.
    Not really. At the end of the day, "Progressivism" - the guiding ideology behind the modern DNC - is basically just American political code for European style "Social Democracy," otherwise known as "Democratic Socialism."

    "Democratic Socialism" is a watered down Marxist offshoot philosophy, which seeks to enact Socialist policy, philosophy, and ideology through the influence of an electorate, rather than violent "proletarian revolution."

    Now, granted, the DNC is quite a bit more moderate than its European peers. However, the same basic principles are still very much in place.

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    Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Not really. At the end of the day, "Progressivism" - the guiding ideology behind the modern DNC - is basically just American political code for European style "Social Democracy," otherwise known as "Democratic Socialism."

    "Democratic Socialism" is a watered down Marxist offshoot philosophy, which seeks to enact Socialist policy, philosophy, and ideology through the influence of an electorate, rather than violent "proletarian revolution."

    Now, granted, the DNC is quite a bit more moderate than its European peers. However, the same basic principles are still very much in place.
    The problem with your argument is that lets say the entire DNC national platform were enacted. The country would not become a Marxist nation as a result of that. It would not even become anything close to a Marxist nation as a result of that. At most we would look a little more like Canada - a nation that still has private property, privately owned businesses, markets and so on.
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    Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The problem with your argument is that lets say the entire DNC national platform were enacted. The country would not become a Marxist nation as a result of that. It would not even become anything close to a Marxist nation as a result of that. At most we would look a little more like Canada - a nation that still has private property, privately owned businesses, markets and so on.
    That depends on how you define a "Marxist" nation. It's not an "all or nothing" affair.

    Sweden still has private property, for example, but it's arguably a far more Socialist than Capitalist country.

    Frankly, either way, the DNC is still far more Marxist than I would ever dream of supporting.

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