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Debate Politics change in political lean?

Should we add "slightly Republican" to the political lean on Debate Politics?

  • Yes we should, not all Republicans are conservative

    Votes: 4 23.5%

  • No, I consider all Republicans, conservatives

    Votes: 6 35.3%

  • The new Call of Duty is horrible. I liked Call of Duty Ghosts better.

    Votes: 7 41.2%
  • Total voters
    17
DA60 said:
Change 'small handful' to 'large minority of regular posters' and I agree with you completely.

Finding more then a tiny handful of people that actually admit they are wrong on here is like finding a dog who speaks Russian fluently...time consuming and probably impossible.
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What has been bothering me lately is seeing people come in who are thoughtful and intelligent posters, and I watch them degenerate into sniping jerks. I feel like they're subconsciously defending themselves from the other sniping jerks by becoming one of them.
 
radcen said:
What has been bothering me lately is seeing people come in who are thoughtful and intelligent posters, and I watch them degenerate into sniping jerks. I feel like they're subconsciously defending themselves from the other sniping jerks by becoming one of them.
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That is why I have a TON of people on my Ignore List (it's up to 61)...and I have no hesitation to increase it.

Why should I have my day negatively affected/wasted to even the smallest degree by faceless/nameless trolls who hide behind computer screens and who obviously are here for little other reason then to try and pawn their unhappiness off on to others?


Additional...just upped it to 62 from another thread.

;)
 
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tres borrachos said:
I always struggle with my "lean". I feel your pain.

I'm fiscally very conservative.
I'm socially moderate.
I mostly vote for the Republican candidate.
I often vote for the Democratic candidate.
I sometimes vote for the Libertarian candidate.

I'm a mess.

This thread would probably be better placed in the "Feedback" section since this would be a moderator decision.
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Tell me about it, try being a Reform Party Member. The closest thing is other.
 
DA60 said:
That is why I have a TON of people on my Ignore List (it's up to 61)...and I have no hesitation to increase it.

Why should I have my day negatively affected/wasted to even the smallest degree by faceless/nameless trolls who hide behind computer screens and who obviously are here for little other reason then to try and pawn their unhappiness off on to others?


Additional...just upped it to 62 from another thread.

;)
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:lol: I have two... and I don't think either of them are active anymore.
 
DA60 said:
Change 'small handful' to 'large minority of regular posters' and I agree with you completely.

Finding more then a tiny handful of people that actually admit they are wrong on here is like finding a dog who speaks Russian fluently...time consuming and probably impossible.
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I think you are dead wrong about all that. Why don't you just admit it?
 
11Bravo said:
When filling out my Bio, I wanted to list my accurate political lean. I am not slightly conservative, but I am more Republican than a centrist. Political tests put me at "right-leaning centrist". However, my right-leaning views aren't really conservative, more general Republicanism. I'm a social liberal too.

What do you guys think? Could we add the choice "slightly Republican"?
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.... I think the "lean" thing is a bit silly. We seem to want to put people in buckets and once in that bucket, we want to assign ALL attributes of the bucket to them. Although I do lean left, I have some very conservative positions on things. Anyone that is intelligent will have some issues that they would appear on one side of the spectrum and others where they will appear on the other side of the spectrum. Such people are thinkers. I worry about those who whose politics are completely predictable and completely inside a political philosophy. Such people are not thinkers; they watch some news network and are fully indoctrinated.
 
11Bravo said:
When filling out my Bio, I wanted to list my accurate political lean. I am not slightly conservative, but I am more Republican than a centrist. Political tests put me at "right-leaning centrist". However, my right-leaning views aren't really conservative, more general Republicanism. I'm a social liberal too.

What do you guys think? Could we add the choice "slightly Republican"?
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Too many people on this board automatically assume certain things about your argument or general philosophy from the tag. I had to go with Other or Private just because someone would come along and go, "Well, OF COURSE you believe XYZ, after all, you're a no good, rotten, evil, stupid, doody head [affiliation].

If that didn't wasn't the case, we should add about a hundred new categories. Such as:

Libertarian only because Republican has a bad connotation that I don't want to be associated with
Libertarian only because Democrat has a bad connotation that I don't want to be associated with
"Slightly" Liberal Totalitarian Socialist
"Slightly" Conservative Anarchist
Moderate who just happens to be in total lockstep with [insert party]

And etc
 
DA60 said:
Good point, IMO.

Putting a lean on often just means people pre-judge you without even hearing your side.

Not all Reps don't like welfare and not all Dems like welfare - for example.

People are individual...no two are exactly alike.
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As a New York State resident, I made my decision to get rid of the lean when I was personally accused of implementing the SAFE Act.
 
Kobie said:
Precisely why I got rid of my lean altogether. I quickly tired of being told what I think and what I believe, and I got sick of people arguing the lean rather than the person.
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I know you've changed your lean a few times in the last year and now that I think about it, you're really smart for doing it. I should probably do the same thing. I'm sick of the idiotic posts from posters who think they know my "lean" - yesterday I was called a progressive by one poster, a leftist by another poster, and a rabid right winger by a 3rd poster.:roll:

Posters tend to get too wrapped up in what they believe your "lean" is based on the specific post that is being quoted and responded to. That's why lean is irrelevant. Unless a poster is a die hard leaner (uber Liberal or ultra Conservative), you can usually find other posts from the poster on the same day that don't feat neatly and nicely into that little "Liberal" or "Conservative" box.
 
SMTA said:
How about a 'fill in the blank' field where you can put anything that you want?
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That would be ideal. Especially if there were enough characters to break it down to social and fiscal "leans".
 
Cephus said:
Lots of us are Goldwater-conservatives, we see no need to adopt "new conservative" views, in fact, we see them as destructive and non-conservative in scope. But most people in the modern world who have no memory beyond last Thursday, they don't even remember who Barry Goldwater was.
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I was far too young when Goldwater ran to support him or vote for him, but from what I know about him, he'd be the ideal candidate for me today.
 
upsideguy said:
.... I think the "lean" thing is a bit silly. We seem to want to put people in buckets and once in that bucket, we want to assign ALL attributes of the bucket to them. Although I do lean left, I have some very conservative positions on things. Anyone that is intelligent will have some issues that they would appear on one side of the spectrum and others where they will appear on the other side of the spectrum. Such people are thinkers. I worry about those who whose politics are completely predictable and completely inside a political philosophy. Such people are not thinkers; they watch some news network and are fully indoctrinated.
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Funny, you were one of the people I was thinking about when I quoted Kobie in my post above:

tres borrachos said:
I know you've changed your lean a few times in the last year and now that I think about it, you're really smart for doing it. I should probably do the same thing. I'm sick of the idiotic posts from posters who think they know my "lean" - yesterday I was called a progressive by one poster, a leftist by another poster, and a rabid right winger by a 3rd poster.:roll:

Posters tend to get too wrapped up in what they believe your "lean" is based on the specific post that is being quoted and responded to. That's why lean is irrelevant. Unless a poster is a die hard leaner (uber Liberal or ultra Conservative), you can usually find other posts from the poster on the same day that don't feat neatly and nicely into that little "Liberal" or "Conservative" box.
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I've seen you post things that could be considered very liberal on the same day that you post something that would be considered very conservative on another topic. That to me means you're actually using your head and thoughtfully debating, not trolling nor spewing out nonsense that you read somewhere and repeat for the sake of being contrary or argumentative.

It's the posters on here who don't lean so far in one direction or another that I most enjoy reading. The best kinds of humans are the ones who use some critical thinking skills when considering any issue.
 
Although there are a few hardcore liberals on here and a fair number of cookie cutter right wing nutters on here (and even a couple of commies for that matter), most people I think don't fully fit any one category but in the end you got to pick something.

Personally, I have my views of course, but I am big proponent of always tempering policies when they are implemented. I don't even trust my own ideas and notions enough to say that if they were made to be public policy, they shouldn't be moderated in anyway. So I call myself a moderate. Plus I live on the Kansas side of the KC metro (a very red state) and vote for moderate Republicans more than anyone else at the state and local level.
 
Kobie said:
Precisely why I got rid of my lean altogether. I quickly tired of being told what I think and what I believe, and I got sick of people arguing the lean rather than the person.
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Yeah, everyone assigns a lean to you depending whether they are agreeing with your view or not. Its really not very high on my priority list.
 
11Bravo said:
When filling out my Bio, I wanted to list my accurate political lean. I am not slightly conservative, but I am more Republican than a centrist. Political tests put me at "right-leaning centrist". However, my right-leaning views aren't really conservative, more general Republicanism. I'm a social liberal too.

What do you guys think? Could we add the choice "slightly Republican"?
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Debate Politics has no lean, thus there is nothing change.

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11Bravo said:
I put it here because of the option to have a poll.
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You can add a poll to any thread anywhere you make it.

The Polls Forum allows unregistered guests to cast a vote, while only members can vote in all other polls.
 
Jerry said:
You can add a poll to any thread anywhere you make it.

The Polls Forum allows unregistered guests to cast a vote, while only members can vote in all other polls.
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LOL gotcha, didn't know that, thanks
 
disneydude said:
That sounds suspiciously like those who choose "Libertarian" because they are too ashamed to admit that they are Republican.
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Wow, you assume the best in people, don't you? lol

I'm asking to be associated with Republicans, not against them.

If I'm only a little bit fiscally conservative (that's the only kind of conservative), yet I'm liberal on many instances, but fit the definition of actual Republicanism (political tests put me a Center-Right), why is my request not "fitting" to you?

I'm literally a centrist who leans Republican, not conservative. In fact, I'm more liberal than conservative.

It's attitudes like yours that really make me wonder....Best of luck with all of your future pessimism
 
11Bravo said:
LOL gotcha, didn't know that, thanks
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And when you make a poll thread, you have to say in your OP "making the poll" or somesuch or else some jackass will always post "where's the poll" because they've never made a poll and don't realize that it takes a couple minutes. Then later everyone else sees your poll and thread and everything looks normal except for that jackass who couldn't wait 1-2 whole minutes for you to finish typing out the poll question and answers and checking anon or public or moltichoice or etc and it sort of throws the whole thread off but that jackass doesn't care because he's long gon anyway he couldn't even wait for the poll to be made not to mention sticking around for a nuanced discussion over the next few days....then after the poll is up you can edit your OP to remove "making the poll" or whatever.

Run-on sentences ftw :2wave:
 
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Jerry said:
And when you make a poll thread, you have to say in your OP "making the poll" or somesuch or else some jackass will always post "where's the poll" because they've never made a poll and don't realize that it takes a couple minutes. Then later everyone else sees your poll and thread and everything looks normal except for that jackass who couldn't wait 1-2 whole minutes for you to finish typing out the poll question and answers and checking anon or public or moltichoice or etc and it sort of throws the whole thread off but that jackass doesn't care because he's long gon anyway we couldn't even wait for the poll to be made not to mention sticking around for a nuanced discussion over the next few days....then after the poll is up you can edit your OP to remove "making the poll" or whatever.

Run-on sentences ftw :2wave:
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Looking at other threads I now see what you mean
 
11Bravo said:
When filling out my Bio, I wanted to list my accurate political lean. I am not slightly conservative, but I am more Republican than a centrist. Political tests put me at "right-leaning centrist". However, my right-leaning views aren't really conservative, more general Republicanism. I'm a social liberal too.

What do you guys think? Could we add the choice "slightly Republican"?
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All political sides in the test have the best solutions to certain issues. I usually click 2 on each. Then each sides' points cancel each other out and I am left near centrist, which I am not.

The political test does not seems to work for me too.
 
tres borrachos said:
I was far too young when Goldwater ran to support him or vote for him, but from what I know about him, he'd be the ideal candidate for me today.
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I have always viewed you as a neo-Dixiecrat, thanks for the confirmation.
 
DA60 said:
It has been my experience that the VAST majority of people on chat/debate sites are VERY closed minded...they will argue 2+2=3 (if they believe it) forEVER...no matter what evidence you present to the contrary.

I see little reason to waste my time on them.

When I see someone new, I try and give them the benefit of the doubt. But as soon as it is obvious their mind is closed, I tune them out on that issue.

However, I am open to new information...so if someone - anyone - offers links to unbiased, factual information, THAT interests me.

But opinions that are not backed up with facts or common sense mean little to me.
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Holding a belief or strong conviction about something is not the same thing as being 'close minded', but unfortunately on message boards, there are always those numbnuts who accuse people of some form of fanaticism because they do hold a certain belief or a strong conviction. But that is irrelevant as to whether we can articulate a rationale for our belief or conviction. Those who cannot are almost certainly just parroting what somebody else said or wrote just because it sounds good to them or they are just being jerks or worse just for the fun of it. Just like those who can't discuss any topic without making an insulting comment about those with whom they disagree.

My goal is not to change somebody else's mind, but to reassure myself that my own beliefs and convictions are based on something defensible. In the process I occasionally learn from others and I hope others will sometimes get something worthwhile from what I post.

A discussion does not always have to have winners or losers or result in agreement in order to be worthwhile. But those who are truly close minded can't see that.

And in any case there is no classification offered on the 'lean' options that fit my own sociopolitical ideology.
 
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