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    Re: Debate Politics change in political lean?

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    When filling out my Bio, I wanted to list my accurate political lean. I am not slightly conservative, but I am more Republican than a centrist. Political tests put me at "right-leaning centrist". However, my right-leaning views aren't really conservative, more general Republicanism. I'm a social liberal too.

    What do you guys think? Could we add the choice "slightly Republican"?
    .... I think the "lean" thing is a bit silly. We seem to want to put people in buckets and once in that bucket, we want to assign ALL attributes of the bucket to them. Although I do lean left, I have some very conservative positions on things. Anyone that is intelligent will have some issues that they would appear on one side of the spectrum and others where they will appear on the other side of the spectrum. Such people are thinkers. I worry about those who whose politics are completely predictable and completely inside a political philosophy. Such people are not thinkers; they watch some news network and are fully indoctrinated.

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    Re: Debate Politics change in political lean?

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    When filling out my Bio, I wanted to list my accurate political lean. I am not slightly conservative, but I am more Republican than a centrist. Political tests put me at "right-leaning centrist". However, my right-leaning views aren't really conservative, more general Republicanism. I'm a social liberal too.

    What do you guys think? Could we add the choice "slightly Republican"?
    Too many people on this board automatically assume certain things about your argument or general philosophy from the tag. I had to go with Other or Private just because someone would come along and go, "Well, OF COURSE you believe XYZ, after all, you're a no good, rotten, evil, stupid, doody head [affiliation].

    If that didn't wasn't the case, we should add about a hundred new categories. Such as:

    Libertarian only because Republican has a bad connotation that I don't want to be associated with
    Libertarian only because Democrat has a bad connotation that I don't want to be associated with
    "Slightly" Liberal Totalitarian Socialist
    "Slightly" Conservative Anarchist
    Moderate who just happens to be in total lockstep with [insert party]

    And etc
    "Political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible. . . . Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness."
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    Re: Debate Politics change in political lean?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Good point, IMO.

    Putting a lean on often just means people pre-judge you without even hearing your side.

    Not all Reps don't like welfare and not all Dems like welfare - for example.

    People are individual...no two are exactly alike.
    As a New York State resident, I made my decision to get rid of the lean when I was personally accused of implementing the SAFE Act.
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    Re: Debate Politics change in political lean?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Precisely why I got rid of my lean altogether. I quickly tired of being told what I think and what I believe, and I got sick of people arguing the lean rather than the person.
    I know you've changed your lean a few times in the last year and now that I think about it, you're really smart for doing it. I should probably do the same thing. I'm sick of the idiotic posts from posters who think they know my "lean" - yesterday I was called a progressive by one poster, a leftist by another poster, and a rabid right winger by a 3rd poster.

    Posters tend to get too wrapped up in what they believe your "lean" is based on the specific post that is being quoted and responded to. That's why lean is irrelevant. Unless a poster is a die hard leaner (uber Liberal or ultra Conservative), you can usually find other posts from the poster on the same day that don't feat neatly and nicely into that little "Liberal" or "Conservative" box.
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    Re: Debate Politics change in political lean?

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    How about a 'fill in the blank' field where you can put anything that you want?
    That would be ideal. Especially if there were enough characters to break it down to social and fiscal "leans".
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    Re: Debate Politics change in political lean?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Lots of us are Goldwater-conservatives, we see no need to adopt "new conservative" views, in fact, we see them as destructive and non-conservative in scope. But most people in the modern world who have no memory beyond last Thursday, they don't even remember who Barry Goldwater was.
    I was far too young when Goldwater ran to support him or vote for him, but from what I know about him, he'd be the ideal candidate for me today.
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    Re: Debate Politics change in political lean?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    .... I think the "lean" thing is a bit silly. We seem to want to put people in buckets and once in that bucket, we want to assign ALL attributes of the bucket to them. Although I do lean left, I have some very conservative positions on things. Anyone that is intelligent will have some issues that they would appear on one side of the spectrum and others where they will appear on the other side of the spectrum. Such people are thinkers. I worry about those who whose politics are completely predictable and completely inside a political philosophy. Such people are not thinkers; they watch some news network and are fully indoctrinated.
    Funny, you were one of the people I was thinking about when I quoted Kobie in my post above:

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I know you've changed your lean a few times in the last year and now that I think about it, you're really smart for doing it. I should probably do the same thing. I'm sick of the idiotic posts from posters who think they know my "lean" - yesterday I was called a progressive by one poster, a leftist by another poster, and a rabid right winger by a 3rd poster.

    Posters tend to get too wrapped up in what they believe your "lean" is based on the specific post that is being quoted and responded to. That's why lean is irrelevant. Unless a poster is a die hard leaner (uber Liberal or ultra Conservative), you can usually find other posts from the poster on the same day that don't feat neatly and nicely into that little "Liberal" or "Conservative" box.
    I've seen you post things that could be considered very liberal on the same day that you post something that would be considered very conservative on another topic. That to me means you're actually using your head and thoughtfully debating, not trolling nor spewing out nonsense that you read somewhere and repeat for the sake of being contrary or argumentative.

    It's the posters on here who don't lean so far in one direction or another that I most enjoy reading. The best kinds of humans are the ones who use some critical thinking skills when considering any issue.
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    Re: Debate Politics change in political lean?

    Although there are a few hardcore liberals on here and a fair number of cookie cutter right wing nutters on here (and even a couple of commies for that matter), most people I think don't fully fit any one category but in the end you got to pick something.

    Personally, I have my views of course, but I am big proponent of always tempering policies when they are implemented. I don't even trust my own ideas and notions enough to say that if they were made to be public policy, they shouldn't be moderated in anyway. So I call myself a moderate. Plus I live on the Kansas side of the KC metro (a very red state) and vote for moderate Republicans more than anyone else at the state and local level.
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    Re: Debate Politics change in political lean?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Precisely why I got rid of my lean altogether. I quickly tired of being told what I think and what I believe, and I got sick of people arguing the lean rather than the person.
    Yeah, everyone assigns a lean to you depending whether they are agreeing with your view or not. Its really not very high on my priority list.

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    Re: Debate Politics change in political lean?

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    When filling out my Bio, I wanted to list my accurate political lean. I am not slightly conservative, but I am more Republican than a centrist. Political tests put me at "right-leaning centrist". However, my right-leaning views aren't really conservative, more general Republicanism. I'm a social liberal too.

    What do you guys think? Could we add the choice "slightly Republican"?
    Debate Politics has no lean, thus there is nothing change.

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