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    Re: Debate Politics change in political lean?

    Since President Eisenhower first took office in 1953 and began accepting New Deal policies as a fait accompli, I'm not sure what it has meant to be a "traditional Republican." Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan, in their rejection of an ever-larger federal government, had views more like Republican Presidents before FDR.

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    Re: Debate Politics change in political lean?

    Most forums I've seen don't allow for political lean, I think we should be happy with what we have here at DP. I would be happy with left, center and right.


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    Re: Debate Politics change in political lean?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The thing with leans is that no matter what you choose, other people will think it means something completely different. Let me give an example based on mine. I am very liberal, which means I support a strong central government and social safety net. Because of that lean, people have told me I support the following, which I do not: tax increases, banning guns, socialism, communism, fascism, forcing churches to marry same sex couples, limiting free speech(the fairness doctrine especially), special rights, equity of outcome(does any one actually support that at all?), stealing, weak foreign policy(despite that I am more hawkish than average), and that is just the beginning.

    So I would not worry much of they do not have a lean tailor fitted to just what you think. That is true for most people here. Argue your points and when people make a misassumption based on your lean, PWN then for it and smile. If the mods tried to include all the leans people have suggested, the list would take all day just to read through, and people would still misunderstand what you really are. People like to tell me and others that "my side" supports or is opposed to this or that, based on my lean, and the truth is the only person who holds the exact views I do is me.
    People should get to know a person, absolutely. Leans for many are just that, leans. They're not all-inclusive pigeon-holed descriptions carved in stone.

    On the flip side, though, I have seen some here who choose a lean and, after interacting with them for awhile, notice they're either trying to kid me or they're kidding themselves.

    Then there's a few who seem to change leans more often than they change their underwear.


    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Since President Eisenhower first took office in 1953 and began accepting New Deal policies as a fait accompli, I'm not sure what it has meant to be a "traditional Republican." Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan, in their rejection of an ever-larger federal government, had views more like Republican Presidents before FDR.
    I no longer buy that, in hindsight.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Debate Politics change in political lean?

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    Good point. I revert to my previous statement about my actual lean. I lean somewhat toward traditional Republicanism, rather than the ideals of conservatism.
    "Republicanism" has virtually nothing to do with conservatism today, it's all neo-con nonsense that is a lot closer to hyper-religious liberalism than anything remotely resembling being conservative.
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    Re: Debate Politics change in political lean?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Since President Eisenhower first took office in 1953 and began accepting New Deal policies as a fait accompli, I'm not sure what it has meant to be a "traditional Republican." Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan, in their rejection of an ever-larger federal government, had views more like Republican Presidents before FDR.
    Lots of us are Goldwater-conservatives, we see no need to adopt "new conservative" views, in fact, we see them as destructive and non-conservative in scope. But most people in the modern world who have no memory beyond last Thursday, they don't even remember who Barry Goldwater was.
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    Re: Debate Politics change in political lean?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    "Republicanism" has virtually nothing to do with conservatism today, it's all neo-con nonsense that is a lot closer to hyper-religious liberalism than anything remotely resembling being conservative.
    I meant the literal definition of the word Republican, not it's translation into today's meaning.

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    Re: Debate Politics change in political lean?

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    I meant the literal definition of the word Republican, not it's translation into today's meaning.
    Nobody would understand what you were saying anyhow. These are labels, nobody uses the same label the same way. It's supposed to be a snapshot, not an exact description. If you want to know what someone actually believes, you have to ask.
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    Re: Debate Politics change in political lean?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Nobody would understand what you were saying anyhow. These are labels, nobody uses the same label the same way. It's supposed to be a snapshot, not an exact description. If you want to know what someone actually believes, you have to ask.
    Fair enough. Except the liberals believe that because mine says "slightly conservative", that I'm some Bush loving, god fearing, anti- gay commenter.

    When the only thing i'm really conservative on is 2 aspects of our economy.

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    Re: Debate Politics change in political lean?

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    Fair enough. Except the liberals believe that because mine says "slightly conservative", that I'm some Bush loving, god fearing, anti- gay commenter.

    When the only thing I'm really conservative on is 2 aspects of our economy.
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    Re: Debate Politics change in political lean?

    I'd like to see the conservative liberal option to check. Or purple dog.

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