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    Re: Is it really that bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You may have seen my thread around Christmas time about adopting a senior shelter cat for my youngest son. We named him Specklebang (the cat, not my son). He had been at the shelter forever. Everyone wants the kittens and the puppies. Nobody wants the seniors - except you & me. I'm with you - I love to take in seniors.

    I hate puppy mills. I hate puppy farmers. Passionately.

    You have a big heart. I like that.
    Did they come check out your residence before letting you take the cat?

    We rescue quite a few cats - from kitten to old and abandoned, the last one a very old cat that laid down on our driveway to die, completely starved. She had been declawed, meaning whoever put her out was a cruel death sentence. We rescued two abandoned kittens found in fire rubble. Another was a kitten we heard at night crying in the distance night after night, finally coxing it in. The vet estimated it was 6 weeks old and we had been hearing it for nearly 3 weeks. It's stomach so big from worms it was larger than his whole body. He survived. Looking for a missing cat at a shelter, we adopted a look-alike they had been putting off euthanizing because he was so vocal.

    Dogs, though, are difference, because dogs behavior tends to be very exact to their breed and they tend to be engrained with certain behavior at a very young age. Thus, we want to know the breed of the dog and we want to raise it from a puppy for behavior reasons - this particularly so because of children. That does not necessarily mean a pure breed, because known mixed breeds can provide some fairly predictable balancing. We already have plenty of animals, plus feed hundreds of critters every day too, including a pair that are endangered.

    But it is very unlikely we would adopt a dog from a shelter unless a puppy because we couldn't really know what we are getting in terms of potential problems. Because of children, one nip of a child from a dog would likely be a death sentence in effect as we wouldn't keep it after that. There was someone else's dog they left with us "for a couple weeks" and never returned. A beautiful, big dog. Very well behaved, until the day he took a very aggressive posture towards a child, basically cornering the child. We did find him a great home, but if we couldn't he was doomed and had been chained by us from that moment until we found him a home. The clock was ticking on doing so, but it worked out for him.

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    Re: Is it really that bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Nothing. What is wrong is the present state of dog breeding. Specifically, the kind that goes into pedigree animals. For one, the massive health problems that come hand in hand with these dogs because owners breed brothers and sisters over and over again. I've given up on buying dogs because of the terrible conditions of some breeds. I can't consciously support buying animals bred for their looks. Animals bred as substinance for human beings? Animals bred for work? Sure. Animals bred for dog shows and looking perfect? Nope.
    Since we keep a pet for life, its not like we pick a lot of dogs. The personality and nature of the breed most matters, but cuteness is a factor too and certainly size. If you are with a group of puppies they will each quickly demonstrate some personality traits. A wise person lets which of the puppies pick you, not the other way around.

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    Re: Is it really that bad?

    Speaking of cats....

    I live in a somewhat rural area, and there are about 4-8 mostly feral (or at least, certainly not tame - they run when I approach) cats that have seemingly taken up residence in the back yard/woods...

    Perhaps I should stop feeding them but it feels kinda mean, especially since it's winter atm and all that...They stay outside though...

    Of course they're not spayed/neutered, so far as I know, and are obviously going to breed further cats at some point...
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    Re: Is it really that bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Did they come check out your residence before letting you take the cat?

    We rescue quite a few cats - from kitten to old and abandoned, the last one a very old cat that laid down on our driveway to die, completely starved. She had been declawed, meaning whoever put her out was a cruel death sentence. We rescued two abandoned kittens found in fire rubble. Another was a kitten we heard at night crying in the distance night after night, finally coxing it in. The vet estimated it was 6 weeks old and we had been hearing it for nearly 3 weeks. It's stomach so big from worms it was larger than his whole body. He survived. Looking for a missing cat at a shelter, we adopted a look-alike they had been putting off euthanizing because he was so vocal.

    Dogs, though, are difference, because dogs behavior tends to be very exact to their breed and they tend to be engrained with certain behavior at a very young age. Thus, we want to know the breed of the dog and we want to raise it from a puppy for behavior reasons - this particularly so because of children. That does not necessarily mean a pure breed, because known mixed breeds can provide some fairly predictable balancing. We already have plenty of animals, plus feed hundreds of critters every day too, including a pair that are endangered.

    But it is very unlikely we would adopt a dog from a shelter unless a puppy because we couldn't really know what we are getting in terms of potential problems. Because of children, one nip of a child from a dog would likely be a death sentence in effect as we wouldn't keep it after that. There was someone else's dog they left with us "for a couple weeks" and never returned. A beautiful, big dog. Very well behaved, until the day he took a very aggressive posture towards a child, basically cornering the child. We did find him a great home, but if we couldn't he was doomed and had been chained by us from that moment until we found him a home. The clock was ticking on doing so, but it worked out for him.
    They didn't have to come to my residence. They've already been here. We're fostered over 30 animals for them in the last 10 years.

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    Re: Is it really that bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    And no respectable or legitimate breeder breeds dogs for profit or looks. All respectable breeders breed for the betterment of the breed.

    You sound like a mutt man.
    Pretty much, I'm not really into the mutt vs. breed debate. I'm not into a specific kind of dog, I love all of them. I see the need for more scrutiny when it comes to some breeders. I think culling should be illegal and inbreeding should be heavily fined. Some dog breeds have been absolutely destroyed. Dog breeding for the most part is an industry of people who want to create the perfect look for the the perfectly gullible people. Here is an amazing link showing how some dog breeds have been "improved upon". The best part is that you can go to a dog show and you'll find idiots saying **** like "This is how the dog is supposed to look." - then around them, you have a dozen other assholes nodding their heads and agreeing that a pug shouldn't be able to breathe. Are you f'n kidding me?

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    Re: Is it really that bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Yes....but they're understaffed and underfunded for the duties they are tasked with.

    Or at least probably.

    And of course the puppy mills don't advertise their location and practices, for obvious reasons.

    I've heard about puppy mills in my state - usually when the department tasked with enforcement finds one, or something....
    Greetings, The Mark.

    It's sickening, especially when you consider the love and loyalty they give in return to anyone that treats them kindly. What is wrong with people like that?

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    Re: Is it really that bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Speaking of cats....

    I live in a somewhat rural area, and there are about 4-8 mostly feral (or at least, certainly not tame - they run when I approach) cats that have seemingly taken up residence in the back yard/woods...

    Perhaps I should stop feeding them but it feels kinda mean, especially since it's winter atm and all that...They stay outside though...

    Of course they're not spayed/neutered, so far as I know, and are obviously going to breed further cats at some point...
    A lot of people say you shouldn't feed feral cats. I don't subscribe to that. Most feral cats don't live long lives anyway (sadly). Shelters can't take them, and unless they become part of someone's TNR (trap-neuter-release) program, yup they will reproduce. TNR cats live longer. Did you ever hear of the Boardwalk Cats in Atlantic City? They're feral, but Alley Cat Allies feeds them and they have a TNR program for them.

    I say feed them.
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    Re: Is it really that bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Pretty much, I'm not really into the mutt vs. breed debate. I'm not into a specific kind of dog, I love all of them. I see the need for more scrutiny when it comes to some breeders. I think culling should be illegal and inbreeding should be heavily fined. Some dog breeds have been absolutely destroyed. Dog breeding for the most part is an industry of people who want to create the perfect look for the the perfectly gullible people. Here is an amazing link showing how some dog breeds have been "improved upon". The best part is that you can go to a dog show and you'll find idiots saying **** like "This is how the dog is supposed to look." - then around them, you hav a dozen other assholes nodding their heads and agreeing that a pug shouldn't be able to breathe. Are you f'n kidding me?
    I was raised with Basset Hounds. My parents loved them and they were great family dogs. There are idiots out there now that breed "Blue Basset Hounds" and people pass over thousands of dollars (of course, on the internet) for one of these "rare" Basset Hounds. A ****ing blue Basset Hound is a mutation. It is a genetic problem, not something that's valuable. A kid with Downs has a genetic problem too, and thank goodness there aren't morons who want to pay thousands of dollars for a child with a genetic defect.

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    Re: Is it really that bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Speaking of cats....

    I live in a somewhat rural area, and there are about 4-8 mostly feral (or at least, certainly not tame - they run when I approach) cats that have seemingly taken up residence in the back yard/woods...

    Perhaps I should stop feeding them but it feels kinda mean, especially since it's winter atm and all that...They stay outside though...

    Of course they're not spayed/neutered, so far as I know, and are obviously going to breed further cats at some point...
    I do that too. They usually thin and replace. If there are already other cats around, the females usually go off somewhere else to have their kittens and toms come and go. I have one sleeping on my deck now and has been ever since he showed up sick and I put a bed out there for him. As long as it is a him and not a her, I don't mind so much.

    I have some acreage and have some on the opposite side from my house sleeping in an old building. They are not problems as far as I am concerned. They keep field mice away. They mostly sleep up there, I feed them, they prowl the hedge rows to pass the time. I have not seen the one I would let come inside the house in about a week, so I am fearing something has happened to him. He has been gone longer but it is unusual not to see him at least every 3-4 days. I have never known where he stays when not here because he doesn't stay at the old building. He just shows up, eats, gets petted, and leaves.

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    Re: Is it really that bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You may have seen my thread around Christmas time about adopting a senior shelter cat for my youngest son. We named him Specklebang (the cat, not my son). He had been at the shelter forever. Everyone wants the kittens and the puppies. Nobody wants the seniors - except you & me. I'm with you - I love to take in seniors.

    I hate puppy mills. I hate puppy farmers. Passionately.

    You have a big heart. I like that.
    Aww, thanks, hon. My best friend turned me on to the idea of taking older animals. She's amazing. And yeah, it's one of the best things you can do, I think, to give an older dog a second chance.
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