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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Serious question: Are village/town/city councils still called soviets?
    Serious answer... nyet.


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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    No Dave. As usual, you're the one full of toilet flotsam...



    Gosh, I stand corrected, so to speak. Poroshenko got 30% of 60% of votes or (.30 times .60 = 18% of the vote.).
    Wham bam, what a mandate! One person of every six (roughly) in the Nation voted for him. If you can keep the
    people that don't like you from voting, for example, the Novorussians and Crimeans, then you can control your results, eh?
    The Kiev regime is the result of a coup initiated by the US/CIA. It's just business, as you know.

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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Serious answer... nyet.
    I ask because I've been listening to some lectures online on Russian history and was surprised to find out that soviet actually is not a term related to communism or socialism at all. It is a type of social structure in Russia that goes back a few centuries. Fascinating people.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Oleg Anatolyevich Tsarov (Олег Анатольевич Царёв) is a Dnipropetrovsk businessman and politician. In 2006 he was elected to the Ukraine parliament (MP) on the Party of Regions (political party of Viktor Yanukovych) ticket. He was expelled from the PoR party on 7 April 2014 and is now the leader of Novorossiya, which is a separatist organization in eastern Ukraine. He is currently under indictment and charged with promoting and inciting violence in eastern Ukraine.

    Lol. Your conspiracy source is... far less than reputable.
    Yes, that is teh Ukrainian Deputy to Parliament that spoke to Parliament on
    November, 20, 2013, before the Maidan as stated to the Assembly that a
    coup plot was being initiated by the US Embassy and the CIA and explained
    exactly how the conspirators were manipulating the various medias, just like
    they do in the good ol' USA, don't ya' know?

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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    I think if I wrote Russian propaganda I'd be spreading the OP story far and wide. After all when you need an excuse to invade it's good to be able to point at the evil others.

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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    The poll results surprise me. I thought a lot more people knew what was going on
    in Ukraine.

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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
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    http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/20...nscript:Deputy Oleg Tsarov has the wordHonourable ColleaguesHonourable Vladimir VasiljevitchIn my role as a representative of the Ukrainian people……activists of the public organisation "Volya" turned to me……providing clear evidence……that within our territory……with support and direct participation…of the US Embassy in Kiev……the "TechCamp" project is realised……under which preparations are being made for a civil war in Ukraine.The "TechCamp" project prepares specialists for information warfare……and the discrediting of state institutions using modern media……potential revolutionaries……for organising protests…… and the toppling of the State Order.The project is currently overseen and under the responsibility……of the US ambassador to Ukraine……Geoffrey R. Pyatt. (Partial transcript, read the rest)

    Did the USA initiate the Ukraine crisis?
    Did the USA plan a Civil War?
    Have we improved the lot of Ukrainians thus far?
    Do the citizens of the USA know what Ukraine is about?
    Poll Question: Did the USA cause the Ukraine Crisis?


    First none of the links work, they go to a weirdo blog site of which the most important message is that he isn't going to do other blogs.

    Whatever the **** this is, it adds no value to what we already know in the spin game that is US news.

    The US has kept an arm's length policy in Ukraine since the Reagan era, Putin warned Bush Jr., that he would "tear her apart" if the US tried to mess in any way with the status quo, a warning Bush appears to have heeded since he had other wars to fight.

    It appears, Obama, obsessed with his Peace Prize image decided to "bring democracy" to Ukraine by helping to depose a duly elected government on the basis of it was A corrupt and B, pro Moscow.

    What level the US CIA and State department played in the rebellion may never be known, despite Obama's "most accountable administration in the history of the US". We do know there was involvement.

    Now, from the view of Moscow, Ukraine and Crimea were to them, as Canada is to the US, the predominant language is Russian in Crimea and much of eastern Ukraine, they share much common culture and ancestry. To them, it is as though Russia helped to depose the Ottawa government...

    Nonetheless it was a boneheaded move by a rookie out to make a name for himself who went up against a grand master who has ruled with an iron fist, the most successful Russian leader since Stalin; the boy David taking on Goliath with no slingshot, no plan and no clue....just the audacity of stupid.

    Putin knew he could roll into Crimea with impunity and did...the single greatest land grab in Europe since Hitler in 1939.....

    And Obama whispers about "bringing democracy", while eroding the last vestiges of democracy from his own country, at least Putin has the sense to have his parliament actually pass laws so he at least looks legit.

    One more foreign policy "success" for the Peace Prize community organizer.
    ""You know, when we sell to other countries, even if they're allies -- you never know about an ally. An ally can turn."
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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    First none of the links work, they go to a weirdo blog site of which the most important message is that he isn't going to do other blogs.

    Whatever the **** this is, it adds no value to what we already know in the spin game that is US news.

    The US has kept an arm's length policy in Ukraine since the Reagan era, Putin warned Bush Jr., that he would "tear her apart" if the US tried to mess in any way with the status quo, a warning Bush appears to have heeded since he had other wars to fight.

    It appears, Obama, obsessed with his Peace Prize image decided to "bring democracy" to Ukraine by helping to depose a duly elected government on the basis of it was A corrupt and B, pro Moscow.

    What level the US CIA and State department played in the rebellion may never be known, despite Obama's "most accountable administration in the history of the US". We do know there was involvement.

    Now, from the view of Moscow, Ukraine and Crimea were to them, as Canada is to the US, the predominant language is Russian in Crimea and much of eastern Ukraine, they share much common culture and ancestry. To them, it is as though Russia helped to depose the Ottawa government...

    Nonetheless it was a boneheaded move by a rookie out to make a name for himself who went up against a grand master who has ruled with an iron fist, the most successful Russian leader since Stalin; the boy David taking on Goliath with no slingshot, no plan and no clue....just the audacity of stupid.

    Putin knew he could roll into Crimea with impunity and did...the single greatest land grab in Europe since Hitler in 1939.....

    And Obama whispers about "bringing democracy", while eroding the last vestiges of democracy from his own country, at least Putin has the sense to have his parliament actually pass laws so he at least looks legit.

    One more foreign policy "success" for the Peace Prize community organizer.
    You have to scroll down the blog because newer updates keep pushing previous posts to the
    bottom. It is also on Information Clearing House and other sites. Use google and type in
    The Ukraine deupty's name and the date 11/20/2013 and I'm sure you will retrieve many
    links.

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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    ** Ukraine Deputy has proof of USA staging civil war in Ukraine :* Information Clearing House - ICH

    Here is the INFO website link including the video.

    ** Ukraine Deputy has proof of USA staging civil war in Ukraine :* Information Clearing House - ICH

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    MUST WATCH: Nov 2013 (Pre-Maidan!)
    Ukraine Deputy has proof of USA staging civil war in Ukraine

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    Transcript -

    Honourable Colleagues
    Honourable Vladimir Vasiljevitch

    In my role as a representative of the Ukrainian people…
    …activists of the public organisation "Volya" turned to me…
    …providing clear evidence…
    …that within our territory…
    …with support and direct participation
    …of the US Embassy in Kiev…
    …the "TechCamp" project is realised…
    …under which preparations are being made for a civil war in Ukraine.

    The "TechCamp" project prepares specialists for information warfare…
    …and the discrediting of state institutions using modern media…
    …potential revolutionaries…
    …for organising protests…
    … and the toppling of the State Order.

    The project is currently overseen and under the responsibility…
    …of the US ambassador to Ukraine…
    …Geoffrey R. Pyatt.

    After the conversation with the organisation "Volya“…
    … I have learned…
    …that they succeeded to access Facilities in the project "TechCamp“…
    …disguising as a team of IT specialists.

    To their surprise, briefings on peculiarities of modern media were held.

    American instructors explained how social networks and Internet technologies…
    …can be used for targeted manipulation of public opinion…
    …as well as to activate protest potential…
    …to provoke violent unrest on the territory of Ukraine…
    …Radicalisation of the population and triggering of infighting.

    American instructors show examples of successful use of social networks…
    …used to organise protests
    …in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya.

    "TechCamp" representatives currently hold conferences throughout Ukraine.

    A total of five events have been held so far.

    About 300 people were trained as operatives, which are now active throughout Ukraine.

    The last conference "TechCamp" took place on 14 and 15 November 2013…
    …in the Heart of Kiev on the territory of the US Embassy!

    You tell me which country in the world would allow…
    …a NGO to operate out of the ​ US Embassy?

    This is disrespectful to the Ukrainian government, and against the Ukrainian People!

    I appeal to the Constitutional Authorities of Ukraine with the following question:

    Is it conceivable that representatives of the US Embassy…
    …which organise the "TechCamp" Conferences…
    …misuse their diplomatic mission?

    –– Let him speak ––

    Carry On

    UN Resolution of 21 December 1965 regulates…
    …inadmissibility of interference in the internal affairs of a state…
    …to protect its independence and its sovereignty…
    …in accordance with paragraphs one, two and five.

    I ask you to consider this as an official beseech…
    …to pursue an investigation of this case
    Thank You!"

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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    You have to scroll down the blog because newer updates keep pushing previous posts to the
    bottom. It is also on Information Clearing House and other sites. Use google and type in
    The Ukraine deupty's name and the date 11/20/2013 and I'm sure you will retrieve many
    links.
    Dave, with all due respect I consider blogs the equivalent of used toilet paper, this guy is even more amateur than most. I only responded because the blog is so ****ed up, and no one in the states has a clue what's happening in Ukraine, do not understand it, and many have disputed the fact they speak Russian or that the previous government was duly elected.

    With that level of ignorance, I do not want to get into it over a ****ing blog that can't even present properly, let alone get actual facts.
    ""You know, when we sell to other countries, even if they're allies -- you never know about an ally. An ally can turn."
    Donald Trump, 11/23/17

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