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Thread: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202013.

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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    There are plenty of ways to see evidence. I have seen none right now. None at all the suggest any US involvement. Everything people say about US involvement is merely their conspiracy theory.
    Well you are wrong. There is plenty of evidence of US involvement. And quite frankly, I don't think it is a fault for the US to be involved. I just don't like the way we went about it.

    Just to be clear tho, I don't think the purpose was to start a civil war. I want to believe our people are not that stupid.

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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The problem is that there are quite a few people in Ukraine that prefer to be aligned with Russia. Not only that but Yanukovich was democratically elected, as were his predecessors. If we are going to support democracy, we (the US) need to let that process play out, unless there is some direct very compelling interests that dictate otherwise. Ukraine, for better or worse, is situated right next to Russia, and it has historic ties with Russia. Along with their desire to be independent and make their own decisions, they will at the very least have to take into consideration Russia's interests. There is no way around it.
    If Ukraine is independent, why should it worry about another bully country's interests? It instead should mind its own business. Especially this may be so since the bully bear Russia is attempting to annex various Ukrainian territories illegally.
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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well you are wrong. There is plenty of evidence of US involvement. And quite frankly, I don't think it is a fault for the US to be involved. I just don't like the way we went about it.

    Just to be clear tho, I don't think the purpose was to start a civil war. I want to believe our people are not that stupid.
    Can you provide us with this "pleny of evidence" so we may examine it and verify your claims? Credible sources will help me better understand your alligations.

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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    If Ukraine is independent, why should it worry about another bully country's interests? It instead should mind its own business. Especially this may be so since the bully bear Russia is attempting to annex various Ukrainian territories illegally.
    The US bullies people around. So yeah, other countries have to take that into consideration. But even when it is not unnecessary bullying, but a legitimate exercise in protecting self interest, that has to be taken into account. It's just like in the ME, the US has to take the Israelis interest interests into account. Foreign policy is not formed in a vacuum. Sometimes the interests coincide, sometimes they don't.

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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    Can you provide us with this "pleny of evidence" so we may examine it and verify your claims? Credible sources will help me better understand your alligations.
    Have you not seen the pictures of the Assistant Secretary of State protesting in the streets? Have you not seen the videos of her clearly stating to major business interests that the US has invested heavily in Ukraine?

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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Have you not seen the pictures of the Assistant Secretary of State protesting in the streets? Have you not seen the videos of her clearly stating to major business interests that the US has invested heavily in Ukraine?
    I'd be happy to take a look at them to verify your claims. Am I going to have to sift through each one just to verify authenticity, or are you posting credible sources?

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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    I'd be happy to take a look at them to verify your claims. Am I going to have to sift through each one just to verify authenticity, or are you posting credible sources?
    Hmmm

    Ok, fair enough. Here you go




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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well you are wrong. There is plenty of evidence of US involvement. And quite frankly, I don't think it is a fault for the US to be involved. I just don't like the way we went about it.

    Just to be clear tho, I don't think the purpose was to start a civil war. I want to believe our people are not that stupid.
    We are the largest arms dealer in the world and if you want to sell arms you send
    out sales/marketing representatives to gin up business. What's good business
    for arms dealers is war, ergo, marketing is about ginning up wars. If war is a huge
    percentage of your National economy, then wars become National policy. Ukraine
    is the perfect example that for the USA, "War is good business and business is
    good." Gosh, that sounds familiar. Why would I keep saying that? It's not deja
    vu, it's the PLAN. Good marketing.

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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    We are the largest arms dealer in the world and if you want to sell arms you send
    out sales/marketing representatives to gin up business. What's good business
    for arms dealers is war, ergo, marketing is about ginning up wars. If war is a huge
    percentage of your National economy, then wars become National policy. Ukraine
    is the perfect example that for the USA, "War is good business and business is
    good." Gosh, that sounds familiar. Why would I keep saying that? It's not deja
    vu, it's the PLAN. Good marketing.
    Good point. The Middle East is a good example as well. Eisenhower warned about the military industrial complex.

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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Hmmm

    Ok, fair enough. Here you go



    Who was that speaking?

    Also, giving 5 billion dollars to a government that wants to keep Democracy, rather than a Russian invasion, seems okay to me. It's not like the CIA sent in rebels to fight anyone.

    Did this actually happen? Was 5 billion given?

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