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Hatuey said:

Serious question: Are village/town/city councils still called soviets?

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Serious answer... nyet.

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Simpleχity;1064260378 said:

No Dave. As usual, you're the one full of toilet flotsam...

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Gosh, I stand corrected, so to speak. Poroshenko got 30% of 60% of votes or (.30 times .60 = 18% of the vote.).
Wham bam, what a mandate! One person of every six (roughly) in the Nation voted for him. If you can keep the
people that don't like you from voting, for example, the Novorussians and Crimeans, then you can control your results, eh?
The Kiev regime is the result of a coup initiated by the US/CIA. It's just business, as you know.

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Simpleχity;1064260426 said:

Serious answer... nyet.

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I ask because I've been listening to some lectures online on Russian history and was surprised to find out that soviet actually is not a term related to communism or socialism at all. It is a type of social structure in Russia that goes back a few centuries. Fascinating people.

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Simpleχity;1064260411 said:

Oleg Anatolyevich Tsarov (Олег Анатольевич Царёв) is a Dnipropetrovsk businessman and politician. In 2006 he was elected to the Ukraine parliament (MP) on the Party of Regions (political party of Viktor Yanukovych) ticket. He was expelled from the PoR party on 7 April 2014 and is now the leader of Novorossiya, which is a separatist organization in eastern Ukraine. He is currently under indictment and charged with promoting and inciting violence in eastern Ukraine.

Lol. Your conspiracy source is... far less than reputable.

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Yes, that is teh Ukrainian Deputy to Parliament that spoke to Parliament on
November, 20, 2013, before the Maidan as stated to the Assembly that a
coup plot was being initiated by the US Embassy and the CIA and explained
exactly how the conspirators were manipulating the various medias, just like
they do in the good ol' USA, don't ya' know?

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I think if I wrote Russian propaganda I'd be spreading the OP story far and wide. After all when you need an excuse to invade it's good to be able to point at the evil others.

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The poll results surprise me. I thought a lot more people knew what was going on
in Ukraine.

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DaveFagan said:

The Vineyard of the Saker

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2.../vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/Transcript:Deputy Oleg Tsarov has the wordHonourable ColleaguesHonourable Vladimir VasiljevitchIn my role as a representative of the Ukrainian people……activists of the public organisation "Volya" turned to me……providing clear evidence……that within our territory……with support and direct participation…of the US Embassy in Kiev……the "TechCamp" project is realised……under which preparations are being made for a civil war in Ukraine.The "TechCamp" project prepares specialists for information warfare……and the discrediting of state institutions using modern media……potential revolutionaries……for organising protests…… and the toppling of the State Order.The project is currently overseen and under the responsibility……of the US ambassador to Ukraine……Geoffrey R. Pyatt. (Partial transcript, read the rest)

Did the USA initiate the Ukraine crisis?
Did the USA plan a Civil War?
Have we improved the lot of Ukrainians thus far?
Do the citizens of the USA know what Ukraine is about?
Poll Question: Did the USA cause the Ukraine Crisis?

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First none of the links work, they go to a weirdo blog site of which the most important message is that he isn't going to do other blogs.

Whatever the **** this is, it adds no value to what we already know in the spin game that is US news.

The US has kept an arm's length policy in Ukraine since the Reagan era, Putin warned Bush Jr., that he would "tear her apart" if the US tried to mess in any way with the status quo, a warning Bush appears to have heeded since he had other wars to fight.

It appears, Obama, obsessed with his Peace Prize image decided to "bring democracy" to Ukraine by helping to depose a duly elected government on the basis of it was A corrupt and B, pro Moscow.

What level the US CIA and State department played in the rebellion may never be known, despite Obama's "most accountable administration in the history of the US". We do know there was involvement.

Now, from the view of Moscow, Ukraine and Crimea were to them, as Canada is to the US, the predominant language is Russian in Crimea and much of eastern Ukraine, they share much common culture and ancestry. To them, it is as though Russia helped to depose the Ottawa government...

Nonetheless it was a boneheaded move by a rookie out to make a name for himself who went up against a grand master who has ruled with an iron fist, the most successful Russian leader since Stalin; the boy David taking on Goliath with no slingshot, no plan and no clue....just the audacity of stupid.

Putin knew he could roll into Crimea with impunity and did...the single greatest land grab in Europe since Hitler in 1939.....

And Obama whispers about "bringing democracy", while eroding the last vestiges of democracy from his own country, at least Putin has the sense to have his parliament actually pass laws so he at least looks legit.

One more foreign policy "success" for the Peace Prize community organizer.

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Fearandloathing said:

First none of the links work, they go to a weirdo blog site of which the most important message is that he isn't going to do other blogs.

Whatever the **** this is, it adds no value to what we already know in the spin game that is US news.

The US has kept an arm's length policy in Ukraine since the Reagan era, Putin warned Bush Jr., that he would "tear her apart" if the US tried to mess in any way with the status quo, a warning Bush appears to have heeded since he had other wars to fight.

It appears, Obama, obsessed with his Peace Prize image decided to "bring democracy" to Ukraine by helping to depose a duly elected government on the basis of it was A corrupt and B, pro Moscow.

What level the US CIA and State department played in the rebellion may never be known, despite Obama's "most accountable administration in the history of the US". We do know there was involvement.

Now, from the view of Moscow, Ukraine and Crimea were to them, as Canada is to the US, the predominant language is Russian in Crimea and much of eastern Ukraine, they share much common culture and ancestry. To them, it is as though Russia helped to depose the Ottawa government...

Nonetheless it was a boneheaded move by a rookie out to make a name for himself who went up against a grand master who has ruled with an iron fist, the most successful Russian leader since Stalin; the boy David taking on Goliath with no slingshot, no plan and no clue....just the audacity of stupid.

Putin knew he could roll into Crimea with impunity and did...the single greatest land grab in Europe since Hitler in 1939.....

And Obama whispers about "bringing democracy", while eroding the last vestiges of democracy from his own country, at least Putin has the sense to have his parliament actually pass laws so he at least looks legit.

One more foreign policy "success" for the Peace Prize community organizer.

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You have to scroll down the blog because newer updates keep pushing previous posts to the
bottom. It is also on Information Clearing House and other sites. Use google and type in
The Ukraine deupty's name and the date 11/20/2013 and I'm sure you will retrieve many
links.

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Here is the INFO website link including the video.

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Transcript -

Honourable Colleagues
Honourable Vladimir Vasiljevitch

In my role as a representative of the Ukrainian people…
…activists of the public organisation "Volya" turned to me…
…providing clear evidence…
…that within our territory…
…with support and direct participation
…of the US Embassy in Kiev…
…the "TechCamp" project is realised…
…under which preparations are being made for a civil war in Ukraine.

The "TechCamp" project prepares specialists for information warfare…
…and the discrediting of state institutions using modern media…
…potential revolutionaries…
…for organising protests…
… and the toppling of the State Order.

The project is currently overseen and under the responsibility…
…of the US ambassador to Ukraine…
…Geoffrey R. Pyatt.

After the conversation with the organisation "Volya“…
… I have learned…
…that they succeeded to access Facilities in the project "TechCamp“…
…disguising as a team of IT specialists.

To their surprise, briefings on peculiarities of modern media were held.

American instructors explained how social networks and Internet technologies…
…can be used for targeted manipulation of public opinion…
…as well as to activate protest potential…
…to provoke violent unrest on the territory of Ukraine…
…Radicalisation of the population and triggering of infighting.

American instructors show examples of successful use of social networks…
…used to organise protests
…in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya.

"TechCamp" representatives currently hold conferences throughout Ukraine.

A total of five events have been held so far.

About 300 people were trained as operatives, which are now active throughout Ukraine.

The last conference "TechCamp" took place on 14 and 15 November 2013…
…in the Heart of Kiev on the territory of the US Embassy!

You tell me which country in the world would allow…
…a NGO to operate out of the ​ US Embassy?

This is disrespectful to the Ukrainian government, and against the Ukrainian People!

I appeal to the Constitutional Authorities of Ukraine with the following question:

Is it conceivable that representatives of the US Embassy…
…which organise the "TechCamp" Conferences…
…misuse their diplomatic mission?

–– Let him speak ––

Carry On

UN Resolution of 21 December 1965 regulates…
…inadmissibility of interference in the internal affairs of a state…
…to protect its independence and its sovereignty…
…in accordance with paragraphs one, two and five.

I ask you to consider this as an official beseech…
…to pursue an investigation of this case
Thank You!"

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DaveFagan said:

You have to scroll down the blog because newer updates keep pushing previous posts to the
bottom. It is also on Information Clearing House and other sites. Use google and type in
The Ukraine deupty's name and the date 11/20/2013 and I'm sure you will retrieve many
links.

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Dave, with all due respect I consider blogs the equivalent of used toilet paper, this guy is even more amateur than most. I only responded because the blog is so ****ed up, and no one in the states has a clue what's happening in Ukraine, do not understand it, and many have disputed the fact they speak Russian or that the previous government was duly elected.

With that level of ignorance, I do not want to get into it over a ****ing blog that can't even present properly, let alone get actual facts.

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Fearandloathing said:

Whatever the **** this is, it adds no value to what we already know in the spin game that is US news.

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I agree that US news is a spin game.

Fearandloathing said:

The US has kept an arm's length policy in Ukraine since the Reagan era

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Kind of difficult to quantify, but it has been of strategic interest to the US for some time. The US cannot help but be involved in Ukraine to some degree after it obtained it's independence. We would be stupid not to.

Fearandloathing said:

It appears, Obama, obsessed with his Peace Prize image decided to "bring democracy" to Ukraine by helping to depose a duly elected government on the basis of it was A corrupt and B, pro Moscow.

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Fearandloathing said:

Nonetheless it was a boneheaded move by a rookie out to make a name for himself who went up against a grand master who has ruled with an iron fist, the most successful Russian leader since Stalin; the boy David taking on Goliath with no slingshot, no plan and no clue....just the audacity of stupid.

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I disagree it was a boneheaded move. It was characteristic Obama, brilliance but with significant flaws.

It is brilliant in this sense. Obama likely knew that Putin was screwed no matter what he did.

But let's step back.

AGAIN, THE PRIMARY MOTIVATION WAS TO THWART THE RISE OF RUSSIAN POWER. DEMOCRACY WAS TO TOOL TO ACCOMPLISH THIS GOAL. THAT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER!!!!

Now, back to the other point, it makes sense because Obama is a brilliant man. Part of that brilliance was his move to adopt a Robert Kagan-like solution to the problem of Putin. That is brilliant because Obama by appearance would not be expected make such a move. Using Nuland to put himself in position, he then went hard for the basket because he knew that no matter what, the US would be in the superior position in the end. A sure score. And actually as it stands, that is indeed so.

However, it's glaring flaw is that it is taking place right on the border of a country that has the capability to destroy the United States. That is a big flaw. That is where Obama is a big bonehead. Perhaps the biggest in modern history if the worse case scenario comes to pass.

But again, that is typical Obama.

Fearandloathing said:

Putin knew he could roll into Crimea with impunity and did...the single greatest land grab in Europe since Hitler in 1939.....

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And that is where you are dead wrong. He did not do it with impunity. He did it because he was going to get his ass kicked no matter what he did. So what he did was take the route that was most likely to make Russia stronger in the long run. It makes total sense.

Fearandloathing said:

And Obama whispers about "bringing democracy", while eroding the last vestiges of democracy from his own country

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That is not surprising because the primary motivation was not democracy. It was to thwart the rise of Russia.

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DaveFagan said:

The Vineyard of the Saker

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2.../vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/Transcript:Deputy Oleg Tsarov has the wordHonourable ColleaguesHonourable Vladimir VasiljevitchIn my role as a representative of the Ukrainian people……activists of the public organisation "Volya" turned to me……providing clear evidence……that within our territory……with support and direct participation…of the US Embassy in Kiev……the "TechCamp" project is realised……under which preparations are being made for a civil war in Ukraine.The "TechCamp" project prepares specialists for information warfare……and the discrediting of state institutions using modern media……potential revolutionaries……for organising protests…… and the toppling of the State Order.The project is currently overseen and under the responsibility……of the US ambassador to Ukraine……Geoffrey R. Pyatt. (Partial transcript, read the rest)

Did the USA initiate the Ukraine crisis?
Did the USA plan a Civil War?
Have we improved the lot of Ukrainians thus far?
Do the citizens of the USA know what Ukraine is about?
Poll Question: Did the USA cause the Ukraine Crisis?

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Considering the stuff our government has done before it wouldn't surprise me if our government did stage a civil war in Ukraine.They stage coups and civil wars in the middle east, south America and other places, why would Europe be any different? It is funny that the Ukrainians have a coup by chasing out a democratically elected leader and its the Russians and rebels who are the bad guys. Its also amazing that Russia gets flak for its anti-homosexual propaganda laws. But yet a country that mistreats women and beheads homosexuals is our ally and almost nothing is said about that country. **** Russia and **** Ukraine. What those countries do is none of our ****ing business.No American tax dollar and life is worth that of the Ukrainians and Russians. I just hope the American people are not retarded enough to try to pull us into a war with war our waste billions of tax payer dollars getting involved.

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MildSteel said:

I agree that US news is a spin game.



Kind of difficult to quantify, but it has been of strategic interest to the US for some time. The US cannot help but be involved in Ukraine to some degree after it obtained it's independence. We would be stupid not to.





I disagree it was a boneheaded move. It was characteristic Obama, brilliance but with significant flaws.

It is brilliant in this sense. Obama likely knew that Putin was screwed no matter what he did.

But let's step back.

AGAIN, THE PRIMARY MOTIVATION WAS TO THWART THE RISE OF RUSSIAN POWER. DEMOCRACY WAS TO TOOL TO ACCOMPLISH THIS GOAL. THAT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER!!!!

Now, back to the other point, it makes sense because Obama is a brilliant man. Part of that brilliance was his move to adopt a Robert Kagan-like solution to the problem of Putin. That is brilliant because Obama by appearance would not be expected make such a move. Using Nuland to put himself in position, he then went hard for the basket because he knew that no matter what, the US would be in the superior position in the end. A sure score. And actually as it stands, that is indeed so.

However, it's glaring flaw is that it is taking place right on the border of a country that has the capability to destroy the United States. That is a big flaw. That is where Obama is a big bonehead. Perhaps the biggest in modern history if the worse case scenario comes to pass.

But again, that is typical Obama.



And that is where you are dead wrong. He did not do it with impunity. He did it because he was going to get his ass kicked no matter what he did. So what he did was take the route that was most likely to make Russia stronger in the long run. It makes total sense.


That is not surprising because the primary motivation was not democracy. It was to thwart the rise of Russia.

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You lost me at "brilliance" ..

clearly you have no idea what non biased means. Anyone who suggests Obama is brilliant at anything beside lying is likely in the employ of the White House.

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Fearandloathing said:

You lost me at "brilliance" ..

clearly you have no idea what non biased means. Anyone who suggests Obama is brilliant at anything beside lying is likely in the employ of the White House.

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No. It's true. Tell me, how many people that have a black father became President of the United States? That in itself requires quite a significant amount of brilliance.

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MildSteel said:

No. It's true. Tell me, how many people that have a black father became President of the United States? That in itself requires quite a significant amount of brilliance.

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WTF?

I guess if you think getting elected on lies upon lies is brilliant then we have nothing further to say top each other. Presidents are remembered for their character not simply getting elected, even if it is a first, a claim most presidents can make. They are honored for their grit and accomplishments......

Obama has one accomplishment......the most dishonest president in modern history. If lying is brilliance, then you are welcome to the delusion.

Please go away now, your posts are dishonest and boring.

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Fearandloathing said:

WTF?

I guess if you think getting elected on lies upon lies is brilliant then we have nothing further to say top each other.

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You don't understand. It's different when you have a black father.

Fearandloathing said:

Presidents are remembered for their character not simply getting elected, even if it is a first, a claim most presidents can make. They are honored for their grit and accomplishments......

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The only president we have ever had with character was the first one. And his character was so flawed that you really can't say he had character. The in truth, we have not had any presidents of character. A person of character likely would have no interest in being President of the United States.

Fearandloathing said:

Obama has one accomplishment......the most dishonest president in modern history.

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That is not true. FDR presented a fabricated Nazi map to the public. That was certainly more dishonest than any thing that I can think of that Obama has done as president. It is not surprising that he lies. Politicians do that. It would be very difficult for someone to be President of the United States and not lie. Sometimes you have to lie to bewilder adversaries.

Fearandloathing said:

If lying is brilliance, then you are welcome to the delusion.

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No, lying is not brilliance. Obama's move with regards to Ukraine is brilliant in some sense. He has taken the majority western Ukraine for the West. That is actually a big accomplishment, considering that in my lifetime it has been essentially a Russian state. It came with a big long term price. That is it's flaw. The world became a more dangerous place to live as a result of what he has done.

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Since I have been reading Ariel Cohen's work. I thought I would share something of interest. It appears that Mr Cohen has had an axe to grind with Mr Putin for a while. This is from back in 2011.

Whoever occupies the Oval Office is facing a complex system of U.S.–Russian relations. These include nuclear nonproliferation and arms control, the supply of U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan via Russian territory, human rights and Islamist extremism in Russia, the energy and sovereignty concerns of U.S. friends and allies, and the Iranian quest for weapons of mass destruction, to name just a few. The Obama Administration cannot address these issues by pretending that Medvedev and his narrow circle of supporters wield the real power. In fact, it is the Putin group—which includes the key energy, military and security services officials, businessmen, and the leadership of the United Russia ruling party—that exercises the ultimate power.

Now Putin, no great friend of America, is likely to move back from the Prime Minister’s office to the Kremlin in the spring of 2012, raising tough questions about Obama’s Russian policy.

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Here he is making it clear that Putin is a problem for the US.

Now he will go into an interesting exercise in which he basically contrasts Medvedev with Putin, i.e. Putin=bad, Medvedev=good.

Putin has publicly disagreed with Medvedev, his handpicked successor, on a number of key policy issues, many of them vital to U.S. interests. While Medvedev has generally articulated positions which are considered liberal in Russia, Putin has consistently criticized the U.S.and stuck to the statist line. Some of the issues on which the two have apparent differences include the role of freedom in the country, the legacy of Joseph Stalin (Putin called him “an effective manager”), and the collapse of the Soviet Union (Putin called it “the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the twentieth century, while his protégé thinks the Bolshevik October putsch was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe for Russia).

The two have also argued on modernization (Medvedev wants a broad-based rejuvenation of the state, including the political system, while his mentor emphasizes boosting Russia’s military capabilities through science and technology – just as the czars and the Soviets did); Libya (Medvedev wants to work with the allies, while Putin blames the U.S. for destabilization of the Middle East); and persecution of former oil magnate Mikhail Khodorkovsky (Medvedev said that the man does not represent any danger to the public, while Putin intervened in the ongoing trial and demanded that he continue to sit in jail).

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It is clear that Mr Cohen does not like Mr Putin's views one bit.

Here's more

Putin also supports “friendship” with China and Venezuela and good relations with Iran. At various points Putin accused the U.S. of supporting Islamist terrorists in the North Caucasus in order to dismantle Russia, illegally intervening in Iraq, being responsible for the global economic recession, and toppling regimes in the Middle East through promotion of social media. Putin pays lip service to the fight against corruption, and directly intervenes in prominent court cases.

Putin formed his worldview in the KGB and by reading Russian nationalist philosophers, including some with fascist sympathies. Pro-Putin elites include the top officers of the security services and the armed forces, the military-industrial complex, state company bosses, and a part of the business class. They are a mix of statists, imperialists, and nationalists. They support a future for Russia that is rooted in its imperial past and Christian Orthodoxy.

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That's heavy duty stuff. Clearly Putin is a big enemy of US interests in Cohen's mind.

This is the type of thing Putin sees when he looks at the US foreign policy establishment. So he has to think about all of that. But that is the nature of foreign policy at that level. It is not a game for the faint of heart.

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Some thought it strange when Hillary Clinton appointed Victoria Nuland back in 2011. Here's an interesting piece:

The strange appointment of Victoria Nuland as State Department Spokesperson - WhirledView

Is Hillary asleep at the switch? What is going on here?

Earlier this week, Josh Rogin at FP and Eric Martin at Progressive Realist both flagged the curious appointment of Victoria Nuland as the next State Department Spokesperson to fill P.J. Crowley’s shoes.

Martin questions whether this has foreign policy implications, in particular the replacement of an anti-torture appointee with someone who served as Principal Deputy National Security Advisor to Vice President Cheney.

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:lamo

Boy, Obama really threw people off with that one!!!! :lamo

Like I said, it was brilliant. What Obama did was figure out a way to put Putin in his place.

Consider this from Hillary back in 2012

“There is a move to re-Sovietize the region,” Hillary Clinton said in 2012, when she was still U.S. Secretary of State. “It’s not going to be called that. It’s going to be called a Customs Union, it will be called Eurasian Union and all of that.”

“But let’s make no mistake about it,” she added. “We know what the goal is and we are trying to figure out effective ways to slow down or prevent it.”

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So essentially Victoria Nuland was brought on for this purpose.

Here's what Ariel Cohen thinks about Putin's Eurasian Union

Russian President Vladimir Putin is seeking economic and political alliances to counterbalance the influence of the U.S., the European Union, China, and transnational Islamism. Putin is determined to strengthen Moscow’s hegemony in the “near abroad”—the post-Soviet space. One of the instruments he has created to achieve that strategic objective is the Russia-dominated Eurasian Union (EAU)

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The EAU is an anti-Western civilizational project being pushed by leaders whose world outlook was formed in the Soviet era and who seek to return the region to the past.

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That's basically why Victoria Nuland was brought on board in the Obama administration. That's what Ukraine is basically abouit from the US point of view.

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Putin's dream - the Eurasian Economic Union - (actually the brainchild of Kazakhstan President Nursultan Nazarbayev in 1994) was doomed the moment Putin invaded and illegally annexed Ukraine's Crimea on the fabricated grounds of "protecting Russian speakers". Kazakh President Nazarbayev and Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko both immediately realized that their respective nations were also highly vulnerable to this Putin ploy since both nations have significant populations of ethic Russians/Russian speakers. If it happened to Ukraine, a Slavic country and a former SSR, it could also happen to them.

Nazarbayev and Lukashenko have consistently defended Ukrainian sovereignty. Relations between these EEU members and Russia have soured since Crimea and Eastern Ukraine has only served to exacerbate the distrust. Nazarbayev has stressed that Kazakhstan will leave the EEU if its interests are infringed -- an apparent reference to the Russian majority in its territorial north and the Kremlin's stated aim of protecting its cross-border kin. With Crimea and eastern Ukraine in mind, Belarus recently amended its law concerning foreign (read Russian) aggression. The new law takes effect today (2.1.2015)

Under New Belarus Law, 'Little Green Men' Would Mean War

February 01, 2015

The amendments stipulate that the "sending by a foreign country or countries or on behalf of a foreign country or countries of armed groups, irregular armed forces, mercenary groups or regular armed forces, who use arms against Republic of Belarus" will lead to an announcement of a state of war.

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DaveFagan said:

The poll results surprise me. I thought a lot more people knew what was going on in Ukraine would swallow Russian propaganda and my conspiracy nonsense.

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Fixed that for ya Dave :thumbs:

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Simpleχity;1064262639 said:

Fixed that for ya Dave :thumbs:

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What is conspiratorial about revealing an audio and video of a speech by a member
of the Ukrainian Parliament revealing the Kiev Coup plot operting out of the US
Embassy. Just history as it happened. Of course, it is in diametric opposition to
the balderash that you are spewing, but is supported by video, don't ya' know?

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DaveFagan said:

What is conspiratorial about revealing an audio and video of a speech by a member of the Ukrainian Parliament

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Your little darling MP was expelled from parliament by his own political party for his treasonous antics and then fled to eastern Ukraine where he now heads a rebel separatist movement.

He should probably hang.

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Simpleχity;1064263111 said:

Your little darling MP was expelled from parliament by his own political party for his treasonous antics and then fled to eastern Ukraine where he now heads a rebel separatist movement.

He should probably hang.

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His speech was prior to Maidan and identified the perpetrators. He whould have
been listened to and his warnings heeded. The people of Ukraine are much worse
off and getting worse every day, under the current Fascist Oligarchs. You are just
mad because the guy was right and everything he said was true. It kinda, sorta, surely
throws a monkey wrench in your propaganda blitz.

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BTW.. his ultimate Novorossiya treasonous goals go far beyond the Donetsk and Luhansk regions. His organizations aim is to deliver six additional Ukraine regions - Kharkiv, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Kherson, Mykolaiv, and Odessa to Russia. The same goal as that of the terrorist Black Hundreds (chernosotentsy) who wreaked havoc in Ukraine during the early 20th century. The only difference is the beneficiary of their terrorism. The Czar back then, Putin today.

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Simpleχity;1064262635 said:

Putin's dream - the Eurasian Economic Union - (actually the brainchild of Kazakhstan President Nursultan Nazarbayev in 1994) was doomed the moment Putin invaded and illegally annexed Ukraine's Crimea on the fabricated grounds of "protecting Russian speakers".

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I think the concept has been in US crosshairs for quite a while. Here's a some excerpts from 2001, 14 years ago.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and his administration espouse a nationalist agenda that seeks to re-establish Russia as a great world power and to offset America's global leadership position. Putin and his security team have issued a series of documents that call the United States, and the "unipolar world order" it allegedly promotes, a major threat to the Russian state.

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Vladimir Putin began a whirlwind foreign policy offensive to improve Russia's status in the region and the world even before he became president of Russia on May 7, 2000.

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Putin's effort to enhance Russia's position includes a promise to increase substantially the sales of Russian oil, natural gas, and electricity to Europe. Moreover, to gain a louder voice in European security policy,6 the Putin administration has broached the idea of joining the controversial European Security and Defense Policy (ESDP) initiative, a joint military structure for the European Union (EU) that some countries hope will counterbalance America's role in European security in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).

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Putin is using arms sales to boost Russia's influence as well, signing large deals in 2000 with China, India, and Iran that total almost $10 billion.

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To strengthen his position as a global leader, Putin made appearances at the G-8 summit in Okinawa and the Millennium Summit at the United Nations in September 2000, the summits of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) in Moscow and Yalta, a bilateral summit with the EU in Paris, and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) forum in Brunei in November.

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Behind this public relations effort is a steely commitment to Russia's re-emergence in the "major league" of nations. The focus on Russia's strategic and economic interests covers up the inherent weakness in this approach: the Russian economy, which is based on obsolete industries and a rapidly aging population and which has contracted by more than 50 percent since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Putin and his administration seek an external opponent--similar to what Great Britain was for imperial Russia in the 19th century during their "Great Game" for control of Central Asia and the Caucasus10--that enables them to make a show of Russia's strengths. It appears, from Russia's actions and national security and foreign policy documents, that the opponent it has chosen is the United States. Putin is campaigning for allies in this effort by making deals with states like China and India. The implications of this offensive for U.S.-Russian policy in the future can be found in the fronts on which Putin's campaign is being waged.

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Here's the interesting part. Read carefully.

Russia's elites are preoccupied with advancing "Eurasianism," which sees Russia as the "ultimate World-Island state" apart from, and hostile to, the maritime and commercial Euro-Atlantic world.12 Russian analysts such as Yu. V. Tikhonravov argue that the nation holds a special place in the Eastern Hemisphere as a counterbalance to the "globalist" U.S.-led hegemony; their works are now part of the college curriculum approved by the Ministry of Higher Education.13 Because the West is so often portrayed as materialistic and corrupt, many Eurasianists advocate closer cooperation with China, the Arab world, and Iran while espousing anti-Turkic rhetoric.

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