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Thread: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202013.

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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It sure looked legitimate to me. It was about 3-4 months before Maidan and revealed
    the whole plot by the USA operating out of the Embassy. Nobocy will pay any attention
    to it and the MSM perception management people will make sure it doesn't get air time
    in the USA.
    Actually, I can across this story that is supposedly dated to around that time. So it looks legit.

    Tsariov accuses US Embassy of preparations for inciting civil war in Ukraine| Ukrinform

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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Actually, I can across this story that is supposedly dated to around that time. So it looks legit.

    Tsariov accuses US Embassy of preparations for inciting civil war in Ukraine| Ukrinform
    Yes, the same story and dated 11-20-2013, and that is before Maidan. Of course, we already knew
    the US was behind this and the perception management team will make certain it does not ever get
    in USA MSM. The Do-Gooders are doing bad and sheep don't want to believe it. Their programming
    is working terrific. Ain't it a shame.

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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Yes, the same story and dated 11-20-2013, and that is before Maidan. Of course, we already knew
    the US was behind this and the perception management team will make certain it does not ever get
    in USA MSM. The Do-Gooders are doing bad and sheep don't want to believe it. Their programming
    is working terrific. Ain't it a shame.
    I understand what the US is trying to accomplish. They really don't want that Eurasian Union thing to get off the ground because it would put Russia in a position to seriously challenge US hegemony, especially as the power of the dollar starts to wane. What troubles me is I really don't think our people have thought this out properly. They have pushed Russia into a corner, but Russia has a formidable nuclear arsenal. Because of that, if they want to, they can draw lines that cannot be crossed. I really don't think that what was at stake in Ukraine was worth bringing all that to a head. It's a very dangerous game. I don't like it at all.

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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    File this right next to Bengahzi, FnF and the IRS scandal.
    Also let's not forget the destabilizing of the whole ME.

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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It sure looked legitimate to me.
    Any blog material wrapped in tinfoil looks legitimate to you Dave.


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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Any blog material wrapped in tinfoil looks legitimate to you Dave.
    Apparently that story has appeared in more than a blog.

    Again, I really don't think the US actually wanted a civil war in Ukraine. However, it could be that we knew that our activities there might provoke one, and therefore the need arose to plan for it, in case it did indeed come to pass. That is something I think is possible.

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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Wanting independence from Russia, and wanting to independently decide one's future, is neither done alone nor can it be done by incite only. The bottom line is Ukraine wants this, and whatever help they may have gotten is secondary.
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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Any blog material wrapped in tinfoil looks legitimate to you Dave.
    The perception management team has a wonderful grip on your limited intellectual acuity, so you needn't
    worry for a moment that the real world may intrude upon your dream world. The speech quoted was by a
    Ukrainian representative and quoted in more than one blog. I know you don't want to believe or are hired
    not to believe it, but that's the fact Jack. I know the junta in Kiev has really helped those Ukrainians by
    raising their energy costs, and raising their taxes, and lowering their pensions and using their children as
    cannon fodder, but it's all good, don't ya' know, cause how else you gonna steal the patrimony of the people
    unless you bankrupt them first. Not only that, but another marketing opportunity for the largest arms dealer
    in the World. "War is good business, and the war business is good in the USA."

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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    What sort of evidence would be convincing to you? Don't expect him to come out and admit it. I don't think they directly planned a civil war. I think it is indeed possible that they thought out the possibility that US actions in Ukraine could lead to a civil war and therefore made preparations for it. They would be rather incompetent if they left behind a smoking gun, and that in itself would be very disturbing.
    There are plenty of ways to see evidence. I have seen none right now. None at all the suggest any US involvement. Everything people say about US involvement is merely their conspiracy theory.

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    Re: Must Watch: Ukranian Deputy: US to stage a civil war in Ukraine! This was 11/202

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Wanting independence from Russia, and wanting to independently decide one's future, is neither done alone nor can it be done by incite only. The bottom line is Ukraine wants this, and whatever help they may have gotten is secondary.
    The problem is that there are quite a few people in Ukraine that prefer to be aligned with Russia. Not only that but Yanukovich was democratically elected, as were his predecessors. If we are going to support democracy, we (the US) need to let that process play out, unless there is some direct very compelling interests that dictate otherwise. Ukraine, for better or worse, is situated right next to Russia, and it has historic ties with Russia. Along with their desire to be independent and make their own decisions, they will at the very least have to take into consideration Russia's interests. There is no way around it.

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