View Poll Results: Americans in the US territories not being permitted to vote for POTUS

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  • Honestly, my answer would be based on how it benefits my party/political outcomes.

    21 16.80%
  • Leave it the way it is. No vote for POTUS in the territories.

    9 7.20%
  • Let the territories form their own winner takes all EC delegation

    80 64.00%
  • Let each territory be assigned by lottery a state with which they vote each Presidential election

    1 0.80%
  • End the Electoral College. Direct vote for President by all citizens regardless of where they live

    14 11.20%
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    Re: Americans in the US territories not being permitted to vote for POTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I have no reason to doubt you, but something just seems wrong. Maybe not. Those ex-pat living in foreign countries maintain their citizenship and as such are allowed to vote. I just find it hard to believe if I moved from Georgia to Guam I would lose my voting rights. Especially if I did not renounce my U.S. citizenship.

    IT very well could be, as a resident of Georgia and a U.S. citizen I can vote for president. Maybe not as a U.S. citizen from the territory of Guam if Guam was my residence. It all seems so strange and weird.

    Don't take my word for it..

    The defendants, "agree that citizens of the United States living in the U.S. Virgin Islands deserve every right and privilege that is afforded to any other U.S. citizen under the constitution," according to the government's answer filed in Superior Court on St. Thomas.

    Judge to hear V.I. case for right to vote in federal elections - News - Virgin Islands Daily News

    Puerto Rico held its Republican primary on March 19. Puerto Ricans are full citizens of the United States, but as a consequence of living in Puerto Rico, have no voting rights for the U.S. President or for the U.S. Congress –

    FairVote.org | Puerto Rico and Other Territories Vote in Primaries, But Not in General Election


    Although territories like Puerto Rico can hold primaries and caucuses to select delegates for the parties' conventions, the 4 million U.S. citizens living there cannot vote in the general election.
    In U.S. Territories, Voting for President Remains Distant Goal - Los Angeles Times
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    Re: Americans in the US territories not being permitted to vote for POTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Because they're not American states with the same access and responsibilities of American states, nor do they have congressional representation.
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    Re: Americans in the US territories not being permitted to vote for POTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Don't take my word for it..

    The defendants, "agree that citizens of the United States living in the U.S. Virgin Islands deserve every right and privilege that is afforded to any other U.S. citizen under the constitution," according to the government's answer filed in Superior Court on St. Thomas.

    Judge to hear V.I. case for right to vote in federal elections - News - Virgin Islands Daily News

    Puerto Rico held its Republican primary on March 19. Puerto Ricans are full citizens of the United States, but as a consequence of living in Puerto Rico, have no voting rights for the U.S. President or for the U.S. Congress –

    FairVote.org | Puerto Rico and Other Territories Vote in Primaries, But Not in General Election


    Although territories like Puerto Rico can hold primaries and caucuses to select delegates for the parties' conventions, the 4 million U.S. citizens living there cannot vote in the general election.
    In U.S. Territories, Voting for President Remains Distant Goal - Los Angeles Times
    Perhaps it has something to do with becoming a state. Any of these territories could held a referendum and request to become a state. The fact they choose not too relegates them to the no vote status. Seems to me we went to war over taxes without representation.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Americans in the US territories not being permitted to vote for POTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Perhaps it has something to do with becoming a state. Any of these territories could held a referendum and request to become a state. The fact they choose not too relegates them to the no vote status. Seems to me we went to war over taxes without representation.
    See posts 3, 4 and 5.

    They file the same 1040s each April 15 at the same rates and deductions as those on the mainland except it gets sent the territorial governments and operates as a type of state income tax. Under US tax law, the IRS deducts whatever tax an American pays elsewhere from what you owe to Uncle Sam.

    If an American lives in Brazil and pays 10% of their income in taxes to the Brazilian government but also owes 15% in taxes on "worldwide income" to the IRS, he may deduct the 10% he paid to Brazil and will only owe 5% to Uncle Sam after doing the math. That's the law. This American citizen is allowed to vote in US elections by absentee ballot. If an American pays 20% in tax to the Swedish government but owes Uncle Sam just 10%, the 20% he paid to Sweden is credited toward he US tax bill. He won't get reimbursed the difference but will owe Washington nothing. The American citizen living in Sweden does not forfeit the American citizenship nor will they not be allowed to vote for President...and paid nothing in federal taxes.

    Since the territorial tax and the federal tax is 100% identical using the same exact form, rates and deductions, its means 100% deductible and cancels out the amount owed to Uncle Sam to the penny. All the formality of filing would do is create needless paperwork for both the taxpayer and the IRS staff. The IRS knows this and therefore does not require duplicate forms to be filed as in effect, the tax paid to the territorial cancels out whatever is owed to Washington.
    Last edited by Smeagol; 01-29-15 at 04:03 PM.
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