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  • Honestly, my answer would be based on how it benefits my party/political outcomes.

    21 16.80%
  • Leave it the way it is. No vote for POTUS in the territories.

    9 7.20%
  • Let the territories form their own winner takes all EC delegation

    80 64.00%
  • Let each territory be assigned by lottery a state with which they vote each Presidential election

    1 0.80%
  • End the Electoral College. Direct vote for President by all citizens regardless of where they live

    14 11.20%
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    Re: Americans in the US territories not being permitted to vote for POTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Why don't they vote like any expat?
    Because they want to vote for President. They live in America under US laws. They use US currency. Their national guard units get called up to fight in the Middle East just like those in Iowa and Oregon. Why not?
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    Re: Americans in the US territories not being permitted to vote for POTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Obviously you didn't read the link.
    I'm not sure why this is a pro (nor did you reply to me and I don't really appreciate being given homework either):

    "contributes to the political stability of the nation by encouraging a two-party system"

    But, I can see some value in this attribute:

    "contributes to the cohesiveness of the country by requiring a distribution of popular support to be elected president"

    However, aren't electorates still greatly based off of population? Isn't the use of electorates really having the opposite effect? In that I mean, there is a ridiculous two-party system, where a large percentage of states are always going to go one way or another. That means, even if another candidate runs a great campaign, gets a lot of swing voters, and even converts a few closer to center from the other party, he/she still is getting almost no votes from those states.

    If Jesus came back right now, ran as a liberal, he could get 49% of the vote in Mississippi (which would be a miracle for a liberal), and still get no electoral votes for Mississippi. And that would work the opposite, obviously, for a conservative and California, say.
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    Re: Americans in the US territories not being permitted to vote for POTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Because they want to vote for President. They live in America under US laws. They use US currency. Their national guard units get called up to fight in the Middle East just like those in Iowa and Oregon. Why not?
    They live in territories, I thought.

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    Re: Americans in the US territories not being permitted to vote for POTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    They live in territories, I thought.
    True, but under a system when written did not anticipate regular citizens ever being allowed to vote for President. Over time that's what we now have but due to the original thinking that regular American citizens would never Participate in Presidential elections, those living in the territories are denied a level of voting rights no other Americans are denied. Meanwhile they can still be sent to war to fight and even die for their country. In the 1900s they were even drafted into the armed forces back when we had the draft.
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    Re: Americans in the US territories not being permitted to vote for POTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    True, but under a system when written did not anticipate regular citizens ever being allowed to vote for President. Over time that's what we now have but due to the original thinking that regular American citizens would never Participate in Presidential elections, those living in the territories are denied a level of voting rights no other Americans are denied. Meanwhile they can still be sent to war to fight and even die for their country. In the 1900s they were even drafted into the armed forces back when we had the draft.
    Why can't they vote like any expat?

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    Re: Americans in the US territories not being permitted to vote for POTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Why can't they vote like any expat?
    First, they're living inside or US jurisdiction; on US soil. Secondly, many, in particular those who were born there, have never lived in one of the 50 states.

    Someone said earlier that Americans living overseas cannot vote for President until they move back. I have not been able to verify that claim.

    Relevance to Puerto Rico voting rights

    The Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act has also been challenged in federal court by U.S. citizens living in Puerto Rico. Plaintiffs in the case of Igartua de la Rosa v. United States claimed that the Act is unconstitutional because it allows U.S. citizens who move abroad to vote in federal elections, but not if they relocate to Puerto Rico. The challenge was dismissed by the courts.[6] However, in his dissent, Judge Juan R. Torruella argued that the United States Constitution neither denies citizens of Puerto Rico the right to vote for members of the United States House of Representatives nor imposes a limitation on the federal government's authority to extend federal voting rights to territorial residents under other constitutional powers.[7]


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    Re: Americans in the US territories not being permitted to vote for POTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    First, they're living inside or US jurisdiction; on US soil. Secondly, many, in particular those who were born there, have never lived in one of the 50 states.

    Someone said earlier that Americans living overseas cannot vote for President until they move back. I have not been able to verify that. Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    citizens living overseas can vote.

    And you are right. US citizens should be able to vote.

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    Re: Americans in the US territories not being permitted to vote for POTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    citizens living overseas can vote.

    And you are right. US citizens should be able to vote.
    It would be nice but a US citizen living in Vietnam can vote for President by mail but a US citizen living in the US Virgin Islands whose airports until recently were named after Founding Father Alexander Hamilton and President Harry Truman cannot for for President (with the exception of the primaries.)
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    Re: Americans in the US territories not being permitted to vote for POTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I'm not sure why this is a pro (nor did you reply to me and I don't really appreciate being given homework either):

    "contributes to the political stability of the nation by encouraging a two-party system"

    But, I can see some value in this attribute:

    "contributes to the cohesiveness of the country by requiring a distribution of popular support to be elected president"

    However, aren't electorates still greatly based off of population? Isn't the use of electorates really having the opposite effect? In that I mean, there is a ridiculous two-party system, where a large percentage of states are always going to go one way or another. That means, even if another candidate runs a great campaign, gets a lot of swing voters, and even converts a few closer to center from the other party, he/she still is getting almost no votes from those states.

    If Jesus came back right now, ran as a liberal, he could get 49% of the vote in Mississippi (which would be a miracle for a liberal), and still get no electoral votes for Mississippi. And that would work the opposite, obviously, for a conservative and California, say.
    Doing away with the EC might even be great for the Republicans is seems to me, yet I'm against it because no one has shown any wisdom against it. All people do is say they hate and throw bumper sticker talking points out there. Well I'm sorry to say that that won't even put a dent in the solid intellectually foundations of the Founders. You want to undo something in the Constitution, you better damn well have a thorough logical argument against it, in my world.
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    Re: Americans in the US territories not being permitted to vote for POTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    We've been having a spirited discussion on Americans living in the US territories barred from voting in presidential elections. As an FYI, they do vote in the primaries.

    By way of background, the constitution gives the power to elect the potus via the electoral college to the states, very likely do to the thinking that average Americans were too ill-informed to cast an informed ballot for such an important position. With advances in mass news media, over time every state transitioned from having the state legislatures pick their electoral college delegates to holding general elections in each state. Since the constitution does not specify how each state should select their electoral college delegates, there was no need to amend the constitution.

    Inadvertently left out of the process were residents of Washington, DC and the US territories since they do not live in a state. It wasn't until 1961 that Washingtonians finally got to vote for president. This anomaly does not apply to Americans born in the US territories, only Americans who live in the US territories. If a Puerto Rican moves to Orlando, he instantly becomes eligible to vote in Florida elections. However, if a Texan moves to Puerto Rico he instantly loses his right to vote in presidential elections but votes instead for the mayor of San Juan, governor of Puerto Rico, the Puerto Rico delegate to Congress in Washington and the Puerto Rico legislature. An even greater anomaly is if a New Yorker moves to Pakistan, he gets to vote for President of the United States by mail. Only Americans living in the US territories are banned from voting for president.

    In your view, what is the best way to address this oddity?
    Are you sure you have this right? I know many ex-pats, U.S. citizens who live in Thailand, one in Laos and a couple more in Vietnam, yet they get to vote. Absentee, but they get to vote. I am sure regardless of where I moved to, PR, VI, Guam, it would be no different that living in Thailand.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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