View Poll Results: Present end date for deal- July 2015- Negotiations fail?

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  • New sanctions should be passed during negotiations -No

    5 5.62%
  • New sanctions should be passed during negotiations -Yes

    81 91.01%
  • Iran with Nukes a threat- Yes

    5 5.62%
  • Iran with Nukes a threat- No

    55 61.80%
  • Iran with Nukes can be contained –Yes

    55 61.80%
  • Iran with Nukes can be contained -No

    0 0%
  • Negotiations fail- There will be War – Yes

    1 1.12%
  • Negotiations fail- There will be War – No

    57 64.04%
  • If War- Air –Sea only –No assets on the ground

    80 89.89%
  • If War–All capability

    3 3.37%
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Thread: P5 + 1- Iran Nuclear negotiations

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    P5 + 1- Iran Nuclear negotiations

    P5 + 1- Iran Nuclear negotiations
    Countries involved in the negotiations- P5+1
    US-Russia –China-UK –France-Germany

    Republicans and some Democrats are pushing for new sanctions in the event the negotiations fail.
    The Administration’s stance is that this would be counterproductive the negotiation.

    Some point to consider.
    If negotiations fail, attacking Iran would only slow the time required to build a bomb.
    You cannot put the Genie back in the bottle.
    Deal if made must be verifiable – Trust be verify -

    If they achieve Nuke capability, other ME countries will/would also acquire the bomb. Saudi’s would buy it from Pakistan. And the world can do what?

    Obama and Congress Approach an Impasse on Iran Sanctions - Defense One

    A potential showdown is looming between Senate Democrats and the White House over Iran, one that could lead to the first successful veto override of President Obama’s tenure.

    BBC News - John Boehner invites Netanyahu to Congress on Iran

    Fascinating that Mr Boehner's first act since the State of the Union is to invite Mr Netanyahu to address Congress on the subject of Iran's nuclear ambitions. He doesn't trust Iran, and believes the west is about to make an historic mistake in trusting Tehran to show good faith on the country's nuclear ambitions.

    Last night Barack Obama was arguing that negotiations were at a delicate stage with Tehran over a deal. A deal that would be jeopardised, he believes, by Congress voting for tougher sanctions against Iran at this stage.

    Some links

    https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/iran

    BBC News - Iran's key nuclear sites

    https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...Pa5xAo-c&msa=0
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    Re: P5 + 1- Iran Nuclear negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    P5 + 1- Iran Nuclear negotiations
    Countries involved in the negotiations- P5+1
    US-Russia –China-UK –France-Germany

    Republicans and some Democrats are pushing for new sanctions in the event the negotiations fail.
    The Administration’s stance is that this would be counterproductive the negotiation.

    Some point to consider.
    If negotiations fail, attacking Iran would only slow the time required to build a bomb.
    You cannot put the Genie back in the bottle.
    Deal if made must be verifiable – Trust be verify -

    If they achieve Nuke capability, other ME countries will/would also acquire the bomb. Saudi’s would buy it from Pakistan. And the world can do what?

    Obama and Congress Approach an Impasse on Iran Sanctions - Defense One

    A potential showdown is looming between Senate Democrats and the White House over Iran, one that could lead to the first successful veto override of President Obama’s tenure.

    BBC News - John Boehner invites Netanyahu to Congress on Iran

    Fascinating that Mr Boehner's first act since the State of the Union is to invite Mr Netanyahu to address Congress on the subject of Iran's nuclear ambitions. He doesn't trust Iran, and believes the west is about to make an historic mistake in trusting Tehran to show good faith on the country's nuclear ambitions.

    Last night Barack Obama was arguing that negotiations were at a delicate stage with Tehran over a deal. A deal that would be jeopardised, he believes, by Congress voting for tougher sanctions against Iran at this stage.

    Some links

    https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/iran

    BBC News - Iran's key nuclear sites

    https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...Pa5xAo-c&msa=0
    The "negotiations" have been going on for so long that there would have been a deal, if Iran wanted one. They are obviously not cooperating according to the SC resolutions. But they know Obama wants a deal and they can buy time to develop the weapon by dangling the prospect.

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    Re: P5 + 1- Iran Nuclear negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The "negotiations" have been going on for so long that there would have been a deal, if Iran wanted one. They are obviously not cooperating according to the SC resolutions. But they know Obama wants a deal and they can buy time to develop the weapon by dangling the prospect.
    Given the history between the 2, no.
    Given that Libya gave up nukes- no
    They will want security guarantees.
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    Re: P5 + 1- Iran Nuclear negotiations

    Yes it would be good to have the Sanctions in legislation and ready to go, should the Iranians come up with any more excuses.




    Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif is to appear before parliament following controversy over a promenade with his American counterpart during intense nuclear negotiations in Geneva, state media reported on Sunday. Zarif, who leads Tehran's talks with "P5+1" - the United States, Britain, France, Germany, Russia and China - had a 15-minute walk down Geneva sidewalks with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry during discussions on Jan. 14 aimed at reaching a settlement of the 12-year nuclear dispute between Iran and the West.

    The United states and other Western countries have long suspected the Islamic republic of seeking nuclear weapons know-how, but Iran insists its program is geared to production of non-fossil fuel and scientific research.....snip~

    Iran's foreign minister summoned to parliament over walk with Kerry

    Then there was that issue about turbines for their Subs and other parts, huh?

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    Re: P5 + 1- Iran Nuclear negotiations

    Neocons have been itching to strike Iran for decades. That's why they detest any deal that will close their window of opportunity.

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    Re: P5 + 1- Iran Nuclear negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Neocons have been itching to strike Iran for decades. That's why they detest any deal that will close their window of opportunity.

    Are you sure the Democrat Menendez is a Neo Con? When did he switch over?


    Senator Robert Menendez (D-NJ) criticized the Obama administration’s Iran rhetoric for sounding “like talking points that come straight out of Tehran” and supporting “the Iranian narrative of victimization” before a Senate hearing on Wednesday.....snip~

    Menendez: Obama Iran Rhetoric Sounds 'Straight Out Of Tehran' - Breitbart

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    Re: P5 + 1- Iran Nuclear negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Are you sure the Democrat Menendez is a Neo Con? When did he switch over?


    Senator Robert Menendez (D-NJ) criticized the Obama administration’s Iran rhetoric for sounding “like talking points that come straight out of Tehran” and supporting “the Iranian narrative of victimization” before a Senate hearing on Wednesday.....snip~

    Menendez: Obama Iran Rhetoric Sounds 'Straight Out Of Tehran' - Breitbart
    A neo-con NJ senator? That'd be a first.....
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    Re: P5 + 1- Iran Nuclear negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    A neo-con NJ senator? That'd be a first.....
    Not that I would have any problem with switching him over to whats on the Right. Just sayin.

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    Re: P5 + 1- Iran Nuclear negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Are you sure the Democrat Menendez is a Neo Con? When did he switch over?
    I don't know anything about Menendez, but Hillary Clinton is a borderline neocon. It is a title that overlaps party lines.

    With Democrat Hillary Clinton Likely 2016 Neoconservative Standard Bearer, Republicans Should Offer A Real Alternative -- Such As Rand Paul - Forbes

    Is Hillary Clinton A Neocon? Joe Scarborough Thinks So

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/06/op...nton.html?_r=0

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    Re: P5 + 1- Iran Nuclear negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Are you sure the Democrat Menendez is a Neo Con? When did he switch over?


    Senator Robert Menendez (D-NJ) criticized the Obama administration’s Iran rhetoric for sounding “like talking points that come straight out of Tehran” and supporting “the Iranian narrative of victimization” before a Senate hearing on Wednesday.....snip~

    Menendez: Obama Iran Rhetoric Sounds 'Straight Out Of Tehran' - Breitbart
    And some people think senator bob menendez is full of crap..

    Last week our senior senator made history. He became the first one-time chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in living memory to undercut a president of his own party at a time when U.S. forces are involved in warfare.

    That occurred after the president’s State of the Union speech, when Barack Obama called on Congress to butt out while he engages in negotiations with Iran over a number of key issues central to sorting out the current mess in the Mideast.

    That mess stems from the actions endorsed by Menendez and several other senators whom I hereby dub “The Axis of Lunacy.” The axis is bipartisan, including Republicans Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and John McCain of Arizona.

    All three spent the past few years pushing for the U.S. to take an active role in supporting the rebels fighting to oust Syrian dictator Bashar Assad. The theory was that once Assad was deposed the grateful people of Syria would set up a nice, neat little democracy.

    That never works. As has happened in other countries, Islamic fundamentalists took advantage of the power vacuum. The Sunni army called ISIS promptly created an Islamic State in Syria that soon spread into Iraq.

    That put the president in a tough position. If he wants to beat back the Sunni forces who’ve taken over much of Iraq, he needs the help of the Shias who run Iran. But at the same time he also has to negotiate with the Iranians over their nuclear program.

    The president could sure use some sympathy from the senator who helped him get into this mess, but instead he got this from Menendez in response to his speech:

    "I have to be honest with you, the more I hear from the administration and its quotes, the more it sounds like talking points that come straight out of Tehran."

    It wasn’t the talking points that are coming out of Tehran. It’s the Iranian ground troops that are entering Iraq to fight alongside their fellow Shia against the Sunni extremists.

    Then there are those Iranian fighter jets that are supporting Iraqi forces in the fight. They’re U.S.-made Phantoms, by the way. We provided them to Iran back in the 1970s when the Shah was still in power. First they were used for us, then against us and now for us again.

    When you examine the history of our involvement in the region, the only possible conclusion is that our government is completely, totally and utterly incompetent when it comes to micromanaging the Mideast.

    That includes all three members of the axis. Typical was this statement Menendez put out less than two years ago when he was calling for Obama to set up a no-fly zone to help the rebels oust Assad:

    "It is clear that we must act to assure the fall of Assad, the defeat of extremist groups and the rise of democracy," the senator said in April of 2013.
    Bob Menendez needs to face up to his role in creating the Mideast mess: Mulshine | NJ.com
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