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    Re: Are you morally obligated to repay a loan that you take?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Well, if there's one thing that I've learned from this thread, it's that liberals are dicks.
    I learned from this thread that liberals are untrustworthy. I already knew they were dicks.

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    Re: Are you morally obligated to repay a loan that you take?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    "A moral right to repay money?" That might depend on whether or not you have a moral right to borrow in the first place and who protects that right. For instance, if an underage child took out a loan, do his/her parents have a moral right to repay it? Until there was a law preventing the lending to children...yes, they were. Do the lenders have moral rights? Big banks didn't seem to have a moral care with adjustable rate mortgages driving people into bankruptcy. Do you think loan sharks or Payday lenders with 40% interest rates care about morality? My guess is they don't. For that reason we have laws that attempt to protect the interests of both borrowers and lenders just so people can stay moral and not kill each other over a measly dollar.
    As Obama has, himself, said, "law is by definition a codification of morality".
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Are you morally obligated to repay a loan that you take?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    It happens though from time to time, but certainly not common. The more common charges which amount to the same thing are check charges (uttering/larceny) or failure to return rented merchandise. The local police used false pretenses to go after panhandlers with their sob stories until the city code caught up with new laws allowing them just to arrest them for doing it on public property or on private property without the owner's consent. They would go after the "my car is out of gas and I need to get home" types and make them take them to their car with no gas or be arrested.
    although on an un related note, isn't it amazing how many people stuck with no gas never seem to have their car nearby....
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    Re: Are you morally obligated to repay a loan that you take?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    As Obama has, himself, said, "law is by definition a codification of morality".

    That sounds a lot like "legislating morality." Well, as Obama's mentor, MLK once said...


    "Morality cannot be legislated, but behavior can be regulated. Judicial decrees may not change the heart, but they can restrain the heartless.” - MLK

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    Re: Are you morally obligated to repay a loan that you take?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    although on an un related note, isn't it amazing how many people stuck with no gas never seem to have their car nearby....
    They also seem to be "from out of town" but somehow manage to all end up right by my bank or near my grocery store across the parking lot from the liquor store willing to put my order in their EBT in exchange for me giving them cash.

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    Re: Are you morally obligated to repay a loan that you take?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    That was some of the most awesome double-talking rationalization I think I've EVER seen. The agreement isn't the "morality" issue.

    Breaking YOUR word for YOUR gain is the morality issue. You act like it's OK to behave in an immoral way as long as the behavior is directed at someone or something that you can claim to be "amoral" in nature. This is, as I said, sociopathic thinking.
    A business contract is not necessarily my words. Two different realms, try again.

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    Re: Are you morally obligated to repay a loan that you take?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    That's what I thought. I see this mentality frequently in liberals. It's a form of sociopathy to think it's OK to lie cheat or steal as long as it's a business instead of a real person that you are stealing from.
    The only sociopathy I see is the right wing belief that incorporeal corporate entities have moral standing.
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    Re: Are you morally obligated to repay a loan that you take?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Didn't say ONLY liberals. And didn't say liberals fail to pay their debts. I said I FREQUENTLY see the mentality among liberals that it's OK to cheat or steal if it's a business instead of a person. Let that sink in. When you understand what I said, you'll probably agree whether you admit it or not.

    In fact, I'm pointing out several examples for you right here in this thread.
    what i failed to see was you pointing out that conservatives frequently fail to pay their debts. i provided a 'sterling' example of THE donald and his frequent forays into bankruptcy court to avoid his corporation(s) paying their just financial obligations
    you want to make this morality question one depicting the left as immoral debtors versus the moral conservatives who always fulfill their debt obligations
    i am pointing out the bull **** of your argument
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    Re: Are you morally obligated to repay a loan that you take?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Justabba...... you paying attention here?

    ILOR.... Here's the question I asked: "If you borrow money, you are morally obligated to repay it?"

    It makes no difference at all whether it is a bank or an individual. It is no less dishonest to cheat a bank than it is to cheat your next door neighbor. To rationalize that you don't have to do what you agree to do as a condition for receiving money if it's a business instead of a person is precisely what I pointed out to Justabubba that I see frequently among liberals and it is a form of sociopathy.
    Not paying back a mortgage is not "cheating". The consequences of not paying the mortgage are a part of the agreement that both the borrower *and* the lender agreed to.
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    Re: Are you morally obligated to repay a loan that you take?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Didn't say it was. But how do you explain all the liberals here thinking it NOT IMMORAL to fail to repay a debt that you agreed to repay in good faith? All the people arguing that are liberals. Got an excuse for that?
    Because liberals are smart enough to understand the amorality of business while the moronic right wingers are incapable of anything other than worshipping corporate entities.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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